Nintendo Switch 2, Last of Us, Xbox Event - Game Junction Podcast #126

Nintendo's Switch 2 has captured the gaming world's attention, and we're diving headfirst into what this next-generation console means for players everywhere. With preorders beginning May 8th for My Nintendo members, we explore the system's impressive technical capabilities that have many rethinking its potential. Could this portable powerhouse truly rival the PS5 in some aspects?

The controversial $80 price tag for Mario Kart World has ignited passionate debate, but looking back at gaming history reveals some surprising context. Games in the 1990s often sold for what would be equivalent to $130 today—has gaming been underpriced for decades? We examine how development costs, inflation, and consumer expectations collide in this complex discussion.

Beyond hardware talk, we're tackling the existential question facing digital gaming: do you actually own your games? Ubisoft's ongoing lawsuit regarding The Crew's shutdown could fundamentally reshape consumer rights in the digital space. If players win their argument that purchasing a game means ownership rather than licensing, the entire industry might face a dramatic restructuring of how online-only games operate.

We also mourn the closing of GameStop stores across smaller communities while celebrating the surprising resurgence of retro gaming. From $300 Pokémon cartridges to vintage collectibles commanding eye-watering prices, nostalgia continues driving a thriving secondary market even as physical retail spaces disappear.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Podcast Intro and Pickups
• 26:21 The $80 Game Price Tag Debate
• 1:04:13 GameStop's Future and Retro Gaming
• 1:23:53 Switch 2 Controllers and Hardware Details
• 1:47:05 Zelda Games and Future Nintendo Plans
• 2:10:15 Switch 2 Release Details and Preorders
• 2:21:54 Ubisoft Lawsuit and Digital Ownership

Transcript

Mark Trobough: 0:02

what is it everybody, mark, we're here with brandon, episode 126 of the game junction podcast, your number one source for whatever we do here. What do we do here, brandon?

Brandon Hurles: 0:16

I have no idea what we do here.

Mark Trobough: 0:18

It's uh, we do whatever, I guess, right yeah, trying to go in a lot of energy there, normally just like yo. What's up everybody?

Brandon Hurles: 0:28

no, I loved it. I'm here for it uh, gotta get.

Mark Trobough: 0:31

There's an energy behind it. We're a century and a over a century and a quarter of episodes away, so that's crazy man we've been this far it is.

Brandon Hurles: 0:40

It's really crazy, man that made it to 126. Who knew? I was actually listening back to episode two today a little bit because I was going through the Spotify stuff checking some stuff. So it started playing. I was like man, what a progression this show has made, truly. I mean, it's been through multiple phases of, uh, different things and it's it's been very interesting, very interesting ride for sure.

Mark Trobough: 1:09

So oh, it definitely has, and I guess going forward it's pretty much going to be like the bulk of the news this month. I feel like until you get to like june, or even in june, it's just a lot of not a lot of nintendo stuff, because not not a whole lot else has happened.

Mark Trobough: 1:22

It feels like, like you knew, once the Switch announcement happened, it was just going to, especially this month, it was just going to suck all the air out of the room and you get the feeling, until summer hits and you start getting some of these other games dropping some of their news from summer for the back half of the year that they kind of knew this was coming so they just kind of like vacated any kind of like major like news cycle and just allow nintendo to eat it all up. Unless you ubisoft, and it's just you know you can't stop shooting yourself in the foot.

Brandon Hurles: 1:47

But yeah, that's true that's uh.

Mark Trobough: 1:51

Did you get any? Uh, because I don't know. If you want to like, do uh, do some pickups first, then we head head right in the news, or yeah, go ahead.

Mark Trobough: 1:58

You got, you got some pickups, go ahead yeah, so three of these things I picked up surprisingly at gamestop today. I didn't even tell Brandon, so it's going to be a reaction for him, but my SoulSilver finally came in today. So my $300 spent on just the game cartridge for HeartGold and SoulSilver Hopefully it's money well spent. When I actually get around to playing these games and I was also shopping around for black and white, I think it's black two and then platinum those are like the games I need to get. So like I have pretty much all the games, for the most part in one way or another. I've got all those games that I can play, whether a physical or digital or in some cases both. Like you know, red, blue and yellow. I've got those physically, but I've also got those digitally on the 3ds and stuff like that.

Mark Trobough: 2:41

Luckily, before the, the store kind of shut down, yeah, I also found some other neat stuff. This first one, I think, was the most surprising, or you know what I'll add. The most surprising one last uh, these are two games and I never owned an original xbox, but these are original xbox games and they were made by from software and it's a one and a two. What do you think? They are original xbox, like it was like oh three, oh fours when these games came out.

Mark Trobough: 3:08

Give or take, or oh two, oh three armored core no, you know, what's funny is on the back the advertised hd tv at 480p.

Brandon Hurles: 3:24

I thought that was funny on the back of these well, it was a big deal then it's time that not there wasn't a lot of 480p games on the original xbox. Actually, um, dang, I don't know. I don't know he doesn't know.

Mark Trobough: 3:39

So it's a otoki myth of demons, and then otoki 2, immortal warriors. The second game was like those are from software games. I did not know that, wow you know what's sad is, uh, the the. The one was 30 a game stop. The other one was 60, so I guess it's pretty much like the price of a new game, which I assume it's just a really popular, because a lot of xbox games are under. Most of them are under ten dollars, like between five and there's a lot of cheap ones.

Brandon Hurles: 4:07

I collect them. I collect them myself and yeah, there's a lot of because I got my original. I saw that and I was like I searched and saw some good reviews.

Mark Trobough: 4:15

I'm like, oh, these must be really popular, really good games. I mean from software, they've made a lot of good games. I was like, oh, I don't know anything about these games, I'll, I'll pick them up.

Brandon Hurles: 4:21

I never got to play the second one, but the first one is great. I loved it. I had no idea it was from software. Yeah, Mr Coffee's got great games.

Mark Trobough: 4:30

Unless Xbox works with these. For the backwards compatibility I'll have to find either buy an original Xbox or find a digital platform to actually play the games.

Brandon Hurles: 4:41

I imagine those are not backwards compatible.

Mark Trobough: 4:44

Yeah it wouldn't surprise me. So I mean you can check the list but I imagine it's not I have to find a way to play those, just because, as of right now, I don't legit have a way to play them. But I was, like you know, there's, I will say, original aren't ridiculous, so it's worth getting one.

Brandon Hurles: 4:58

I think they're worth owning for sure. I've been picking up a lot of older games.

Mark Trobough: 5:01

Some of those are like they tend to lean more towards the ds. But I also got a game boy color game and this game cost me uh 53 before tax.

Brandon Hurles: 5:12

A game stop okay, it must be a good one, you have a guess on what it could be.

Mark Trobough: 5:17

53 I was surprised I saw the color game. The price didn't surprise me. I'm pretty sure the battery needs to be fixed.

Brandon Hurles: 5:23

Oh, it's got a big data it's got a battery, so we're talking like uh it's got a clear, see-through case and it is a first party nintendo game okay, crystal uh, a clear, see-through case a clear. Oh well, it's got the it's got the clear see-through cartridge.

Mark Trobough: 5:41

It's a new game on the Game Boy Color. Give you one more guess.

Brandon Hurles: 5:47

Gosh, I feel like I should probably know this.

Mark Trobough: 5:49

To be fair, there's been a pattern of games I've been picking up. That helps For handheld games that I pick up at GameStop.

Brandon Hurles: 5:55

It's the first party, so I'm like I don't.

Mark Trobough: 5:59

On the Game Boy Color. I was hoping it would kind of lean you in the right direction.

Brandon Hurles: 6:03

I know I color. I was hoping it was kind of kind of leaning in the right direction. I know I'm trying to think I'm what. What had the clear case?

Mark Trobough: 6:07

that was the first part I'll give you one more hint, if you want it all right, yeah, give me another you can play this game on nso I'm pretty sure like 90 know it's, I, I can't think, think it's only one of a sequel series of games kind of like pokemon, uh, but it's legend of zelda, oracle of seasons oh my gosh I did everything I could to help you I know I should have known that game point, color games I.

Brandon Hurles: 6:40

Should have known that you got to get work. Oracle of ages, as my, is one of my favorite zelda games ever, still today I was just surprised because I've, I've.

Mark Trobough: 6:49

This is the first time I've even seen a game boy color game there and I saw that I was like I don't even know how much it was.

Brandon Hurles: 6:54

I was like I have to buy that mine never got that and unfortunately it's closing down. You can't even do switch to pre-orders when they come up, so yeah, that sucks.

Mark Trobough: 7:03

Luckily, it really sucks if mine shut down. The next closest store is all the way in salt lake city, so yeah, this sucks.

Brandon Hurles: 7:11

Man, I'm pretty disappointed about as crappy as gamestop can be at times.

Mark Trobough: 7:15

We still, I still, I still uh, shop there a lot and do a lot of business good other, you know other other, just uh memorabilia, though I wish they would kind of get a better selection of stuff in their stores and the idea to kind of start focusing on the uh on the retro game market. I don't think it's a terrible decision, I just think like it needs to be a thing at every store like it's not like a big thing, like you look up the the retro stores and there's not that many no, but like it game stops selling some of these games you're being a place to trade in.

Mark Trobough: 7:45

You know, to me kind of makes sense. I, I mean, I get it's like a, it's like a dying business, unless they were to like radically change what they do.

Brandon Hurles: 7:52

But yeah, I don't know.

Mark Trobough: 7:54

No, it's unfortunate everyone that's been there forever too, so everyone craps on them. But like, let's be fair, for most people like unless you're in a in or near a major city, that's the only place, it's the only option for any kind of game stores. Like unless you live in a metro area where you can have stores that that cater towards games primarily retro, but they have a different variety of stuff. In a small community like you just don't have the option.

Brandon Hurles: 8:18

Like gamestop is really your only option you know, like for me I'm in a small town, so like there is no other option other than like walmart, and they don't even. You know you can't do all the things you can't at walmart, like you can't game stop and it's just, uh, it's unfortunate, man, because yeah, like walmart doesn't get a lot of this stuff now doesn't like brand new stuff, yeah, it's, it sucks, man, it really sucks. I am pretty disappointed about it. But, um, yeah, hopefully. I will say this I am supposed to be securing the Nintendo Switch kiosk, so that's good news.

Mark Trobough: 8:54

As long as it doesn't fall through as long as you can put it, but it's neat to have.

Brandon Hurles: 8:58

I don't know yet either, but actually I'm probably going to end up putting it at work for now until I figure out what I can do with it. But as long as it doesn't fall through, I'm supposed to be getting it. Yeah, because at least I really like the sound. I get everything, but the console.

Mark Trobough: 9:12

I think the retro game was a really smart decision, or at least the fact that my store is doing it, just because more of what I buy now is DS games, 3ds games, some older like uh, I've gotten some 64 games and stuff like that now. Uh, now I game some xbox. I well, I don't think I picked up any ps2 or ps3, but I was surprised.

Brandon Hurles: 9:31

That's like.

Mark Trobough: 9:32

That's like most of what I buy now, because I I I'm in there like once a week or every other week, and every time I'm in there I usually find at least one nice little gem of a game or something like that.

Mark Trobough: 9:42

Yeah, which is really surprising and stuff like that, because I know a lot of what they get is probably people here locally that sell stuff to them. But it's just neat that like they have that option there. I didn't pick it up because I couldn't remember if I had or not, but they also had a um, uh, it's super mario 64, I think for the sick I, but I couldn't remember I actually had that game, so I didn't pick it up. But I was like I'm already spending enough money on these three games, I don't need to buy another one now.

Brandon Hurles: 10:09

Somebody asked on Twitch is Nintendo doing anti-consumer practices with $80 games? I remember the media got on Sony at the start of this gen when they announced $70 games.

Mark Trobough: 10:20

Yeah, but I mean $70 has kind of become the new standard and then for all we know it's only the one right now.

Mark Trobough: 10:28

but to be fair with everything else going on economically and there's a lot of stuff that go into that. This isn't surprising, and stuff like that. Um, obviously, if you want to buy used, you know, give it some time. You know, with the physical market and stuff like that, there's always that option, but it's. I mean, everything's just over the last five years, five, six years, everything's just gotten drastically more expensive and it's just as much as you don't want it. You've kind of seen the writing on the wall for a while now. Yeah, especially a few months ago we started talking about oh, is gta6 going to be a hundred dollars?

Mark Trobough: 11:00

because right regardless of the quality of games. That just opens the door for 80, 90 hundred dollar90, $100 game price tags, whatever these studios want to price them at. And obviously if you're going digital like if you play on a PC and you use Steam and stuff like that and you're willing to wait a year or two to buy a game, obviously you can get them significantly cheaper, though it's the drawback of being digital and stuff like that. So it's kind of a give and take because you you gotta think these studios probably know they're gonna lose some level of sales with these higher price tags and they have to be taken that into account. Like you, you can't assume these people are. They're running like multi-billion dollar. You know corp businesses. They're not like complete idiots, they're. So they have to like do a a risk analysis essentially and if, if there's enough of a pushback like you know people have talked about with the, the 3ds and stuff like that they'll to some degree be willing to pull back on on some of the prices. But we also it feels like it's harder for Nintendo games to know how much development costs for these. Like we know how some studios and you hear about their, their development costs and stuff like that. But you also have to weigh that against.

Mark Trobough: 12:05

Well, how many get copies of the game? Am I going to sell and stuff like that? And then you know, you know replayability, how good is the end? There's a lot of stuff that that go into it. But I mean, the $60 was pretty standard, probably around the the to gamecube around. That era is where that $60 price tag has been like cemented for like over 20 years. But like, yeah, you know, there's a lot of other other stuff that goes into that where, like, everything just has gotten more expensive. Some of it that's out of their control, some of it just because they do things that just bloat the cost of their games. But uh, it's for me. I'm just trying to try to take a moderate viewpoint, not be extreme, because everyone on the internet's just just taking an extreme to either I don't care, or it's absolutely the salt of the earth and nintendo's evil no, I see, here's the way I see it.

Brandon Hurles: 12:55

I see it as they've got this. As we know mario kart we saw what happened with mario kart 8 deluxe. They supported that game forever. I think they're going to support this game, probably for the whole life cycle of the system, I imagine. I think it's going to be a very big game. We know it's an open world game. There's a lot to it. I think it's going to be bigger than even Mario Kart 8 Deluxe was. I think it's going to be bringing back a lot of stuff. It's going to be bringing in a ton of new stuff. What of new stuff? I think they they know what I think that they're doing is they're pricing at what they think is fair for that particular title.

Mark Trobough: 13:29

I think that's how they're based off of everything they see on their end, because obviously these people are making these decisions, have access to their internal information.

Mark Trobough: 13:36

The best thing I could say and I think this we've been talking about this for years because very rarely maybe I probably average one game a year do I pre-order, and very rarely even I even buy a game at launch let's just game we're going to stream together is do it People have been talking about forever. Don't pre-order game and then wait until after the game comes out. Watch some videos, watch some reviewers, watch a live stream and determine whether or not you're willing to, if you want to play that price tag or you want to try to wait to get it cheaper. I think that's like the ultimate thing either wait for a sale, watch people play the game and see if it's something that you're willing to spend that much money on, because I, I get it. A lot of people probably don't spend as much money on games as we do. Yeah, uh, I, you know, luckily enough, I've got the disposable income right now to to, to splurge a lot more than probably some people do that's what we do here.

Mark Trobough: 14:21

That's what we do yeah, but it's one of those things where it's like don't you, don't pre-order and crap, you shouldn't do it, especially if you you know it, unless it's like a game you absolutely must have at launch and just wait and see if it's what you want to play and if it's a fun game you're like I don't want to play the 80, I'll wait and hopefully it goes cheaper on sale or I can find it, you know there are.

Mark Trobough: 14:41

There are ways that, like, if you don't want to pay it, that's, that's fine and it's understandable. I think that there's you. You have to make the, the the cost analysis to you right, like these studios have to when they're, when they're trying to price their, their games and stuff like that.

Brandon Hurles: 14:54

So they have to, because you see how many studio closures there are and how hard the game industry is right now, like even though it's still the number one medium, like you just see, it seems like there was a week after week after week where all these studio closures and stuff like they couldn't stay afloat, they couldn't stay.

Mark Trobough: 15:12

I mean to be fair, like that's. The other issue is a lot of these studios, they you put out a bad product. People didn't like it, so you didn't play the game. And some of those games, maybe some of them, they, maybe they put out anything.

Brandon Hurles: 15:23

Or or like they put out good stuff, like there was the uh, the studio that did hi-fi rush, amazing game, right, like some people would say 10 out of 10 game closed down right there. There's right.

Mark Trobough: 15:35

When you came to the top that just, uh, they want resources to go elsewhere. It's sometimes you can put a good game out in the game, get shut down. Sometimes it's self-inflicted wounds. It's I mean, at the end of the day it's these are, these are businesses so that are owned by other businesses.

Mark Trobough: 15:48

I will add gonna do what they need to to make money and I will see if I can pull it up um it's one of those weird back and forth things where, um, it's like I get the consumer side, but I've I also get where some of these businesses are coming from to some degree. So the best I can say is the business is going to do what they're going to do, so you have to do what you're going to do. All right, I'm waiting a year or so, buying a used copy for 30 40 bucks. That you think is more affordable. That might be the option.

Brandon Hurles: 16:18

You don't always need to get games right at launch so for our listeners, I am pulling something up right now to show that you know, things weren't always this way with video games, and I very, very clearly remember this. And this isn't even the most expensive. I remember seeing games back then.

Mark Trobough: 16:36

I think I know what you're getting at. Yeah.

Brandon Hurles: 16:37

I mean Phantasy Star was, I think it's. Phantasy Star 3 was $90, I believe, when it came out. So this shows some of the prices of the games that came out Earthbound $90.

Mark Trobough: 16:50

What year was that? Out of curiosity, this would have been. Should I go like 95, 94?

Brandon Hurles: 16:57

Yes, I think it was Trying to get the exact year.

Mark Trobough: 17:07

I'll go 94 for the time. A year here is not going to change a lot roughly the cartridges for these were not cheap and it definitely drove some of the cost up. But if you do, just like the $60 standard here's another one I can pull up as well.

Brandon Hurles: 17:21

Yeah, here's okay. I was actually wrong no, I don't have a year, but I have another, another image, uh, no, you're good.

Mark Trobough: 17:30

So I just went 94 a year a year to the left or the right. It's not going to change these prices, but it's 60 back in 94 is the equivalent of like 130 today. Yeah, so if you just think of like buying power, and obviously there's a whole lot that goes into different stuff like that, but like the, the, it's that. But there's some give and take and some understanding. Games were more expensive back then. But there's also the side of the hardware was a little bit more niche or the hardware was just more expensive in general and they weren't really selling as many copies. So to offset the cost they needed to sell it for a lot more because well't, it's not the, the industry, they weren't having, like the, the, the millions of players today that they did back then for some of these games. So there's like there's a whole bunch of stuff that goes into it.

Brandon Hurles: 18:13

They didn't develop a standard for video game costs either.

Mark Trobough: 18:17

There wasn't a standard not really, it's just early on.

Brandon Hurles: 18:19

They just priced it and stuff like that, and they priced it how they thought it, they, they priced it probably based on the development they spent on it and stuff like that, and they probably they priced it, probably based on the development they spent on it and what they thought was fair for their particular based off how many copies you're expecting to sell.

Mark Trobough: 18:31

Because it's weird, because I know obviously wasn't working on the 90s, I was a kid, I was born in 93, so but you get it like as a kid growing up like you'd maybe get like one or two games a year, like maybe a game for your birthday or a game or two for christmas, and that that's like all you were getting for like a whole year and stuff like that.

Mark Trobough: 18:48

So like if you're thinking of the idea or even now as like a parent of like you're getting like one to three games a year the 60 to 80 is probably a little bit easier to swallow compared to I'm buying a new game like every month or every other month or something like that where that price tag might be a little bit harder to swallow because you're seeing the the cost kind of kind of inflate. But it's. It's a weird thing because I can think back like you used to get really good at the game but you only had like maybe five or six games on a snes or a nes or a 64 or something like that or a genesis. So like you just got used to playing those those handful of games as a kid and stuff like that.

Brandon Hurles: 19:22

So yeah, yeah, for sure.

Mark Trobough: 19:25

I mean like I could pull up so many there, there is a uh, there is a proper nuance discussion for for game costs. But like, if people don't want to pay that price tag, I get it. It's been 60 was the standard for so long and now you're seeing the sudden jump and jump like every year another 10 for the games and stuff. Like that'd be one thing if they went went to the $70 price tag, say back in 2018. And then it was almost another five, six, seven, eight years where you saw another $10 jump. That would be a little bit easier compared to they're jumping $20 and like a year and a half, two years.

Brandon Hurles: 19:56

Yeah, for sure. I mean I could pull up a example after example of of some of the prices back then I mean, you see, doom on the super nintendo 95, mortal combat 3, 95 and that's in back then prices and stuff like that.

Mark Trobough: 20:09

So you gotta like take that into account too yes, you gotta take.

Brandon Hurles: 20:13

No, it makes more sense when your parents are like all right, you're getting one game for christmas, that's it.

Mark Trobough: 20:17

You won't get another game for another year I don't.

Brandon Hurles: 20:19

Don't have me bring up neo geo prices, because, my god, holy crap, I'm gonna be fair.

Mark Trobough: 20:25

Those prices haven't dropped. They're just as expensive for most of those, they're more expensive that's what I'm saying. Retro games are just they've gotten. I think they went down probably in the early 2000s, and then it spiked again I'll see if I can pull up, unless you're willing to get like japanese games, then those are hit or miss.

Brandon Hurles: 20:42

but you know you probably can't play unless you have the console Bro you imported games that were so expensive, though it was so expensive to import.

Mark Trobough: 20:49

Well, I mean, if you were to go over there today you could probably find retro games far more affordable and stuff like that. It's a whole different market. But there's pros and cons with that. But I do think it's funny To mod your console, the SNes, to play uh, super famicom games. I think you just have to like get rid of a piece of plastic in the console and you can just plug the, plug the game in wait for which that's the I, I, I and I might be getting it wrong, but I'm pretty sure most of the region locking they did back then wasn't software.

Mark Trobough: 21:17

It was on the actual hardware, like they would add certain things into the, the cartridge slot that would prevent the cartridge from going in.

Speaker 4: 21:26

Because if you could actually get it to plug in you would be able to actually play it.

Mark Trobough: 21:30

I thought it was the Super Nintendo was one of those where, if you essentially get rid of a piece of plastic, you can put the Super Famicom games in and they work. That's what the region lock was, which I still think was stupid back then, but I get it.

Brandon Hurles: 21:44

Look at these prices, these wholesale. These are wholesale prices. These aren't even the retail prices 120 for all these.

Mark Trobough: 21:53

These are wholesale I mean it makes sense when you realize the console.

Brandon Hurles: 21:56

It's not even retail price.

Mark Trobough: 21:59

Like that's crazy now it makes sense why nobody bought the neo geo 120.

Brandon Hurles: 22:03

Nobody's paying for these game and today one of the greatest retro systems of all time too, and it was that console 500 back then.

Mark Trobough: 22:11

Yeah, that's like the price of like the ps5 pro today.

Brandon Hurles: 22:16

Yeah, hundred dollars, way more, that's like. That's like 900. I mean, try to buy it today. I'm on the lookout for one, because I'll show you so what year did that come out in? Um, you have to google it real quick, because I'm not sure, uh neo g, because I'm now.

Mark Trobough: 22:32

I'm just curious what year came out.

Brandon Hurles: 22:34

I'm trying to get so it was released in 1990, ordered one and remember I got scammed with credit card deal. Oh yeah, so I bought this. This is it's a flash cart, so I can play every game on the system, because I thought I was getting it.

Mark Trobough: 22:50

I still don't have a system yet, so okay, so like if you account for from 1990, when they came out. I just rounded up to the 500 uh 500 in 1990 is equivalent of uh essentially 1200 today yeah, it's very expensive, yeah very very, which is probably how much it costs today, realistically probably around that thousand dollar price you're, you're right, you're looking because it's probably not. They didn't sell that many, so they didn't produce. They just stopped producing after a while some of them loose.

Brandon Hurles: 23:13

They got like damage and stuff for like eight hundred dollars, seven hundred dollars, but then most of them are priced well above a thousand dollars I think talking like gaming prices just as a topic is is really fascinating.

Mark Trobough: 23:25

And then it's like a whole thing going to like well, why would they cost so much back then? Because it's like, like you know, kind of like today there's like so many things that go into it on top of like. Today it's either fully digital, so like the, the distributor essentially produced the cost and, yeah, you know, storage space has just gotten so much bigger and so much cheaper or, uh, they were on like discs, whether it's, you know, the cds to blu-rays, and that's relatively inexpensive. That's why the ps2 did, or the the playstation did so well, the ps1 and the ps2 was.

Mark Trobough: 23:52

It uses the, the cds essentially, I think, for both do they do dvds for the ps, I can't remember, but essentially they used. It was easier, more storage space and it was just so much cheaper, so you could essentially undercut nintendo on the average cost for games.

Brandon Hurles: 24:05

Essentially, yeah, and it looked better yeah, mr coffee said people bought them during that time. I remember we used to have a library we were selling. So yeah, I think retro games also play a huge factor in why games are going up today. I mean, like I said, the cost of development has gone up. There's so much to it. I feel like, if I'm being realistic, the price of video games probably should have gone up a long time ago. Right, I think a lot of these studios wouldn't have closed if things went up a long time ago.

Mark Trobough: 24:37

If you look at the average cost for inflation, it really wasn't until 2020 that all of a sudden it's just been a massive spike. But, to be fair, if there was more like a decade between these ten dollar price jumps, it would be far more digestible. People would be like, yeah, and then you just kind of get used to it like they do with the seven dollars, but now all of a sudden it's 80. About a year later it's it's getting harder and harder to swallow because of how quickly the prices are jumping. Just because you know, I, when you, when you count for inflation like the last five years and everything else going on, it's just everything's just gotten more expensive. So it's like, you know, the games are just doing that exponential jump and it's just not a, it's not an area where maybe people have have as much money or they've just been. You've been so conditioned to like one price tag.

Brandon Hurles: 25:18

Essentially, yeah, the thing is is like uh, I haven't how come. When the news came out like obviously it's a rumor, we don't know for sure, but it was talked about everywhere when GTA 6 could potentially be a hundred dollar game, there was a zero pushback on that. I saw nobody pushing back on that. But as soon as Mario Kart World gets announced, everybody's pushing back on it, I think for I think it is not everybody.

Brandon Hurles: 25:46

I do see a lot of nintendo fans that are like, okay, you know, I understand the price jump, but there's a lot of people pushing back a lot of it's just because that's what trends.

Mark Trobough: 25:58

People just like dunking on other people and stuff like that, because if you only play on the pc side, everything's just significantly cheaper, though there's no physical that goes along with that. So you have to take that into account as well, because you see it with with literally everything. I'm not going to say we haven't partaken and dunking on, I don't going to be softening a chance I get, yeah we don't go on a separate reason, not necessarily we dunked hard on our rival so, and then we ended up kind of liking it.

Mark Trobough: 26:20

So, yeah, right, that's all good, uh, but it really just comes down to the fact of the perceived. It really comes down to the person, the, the individual person's perceived value of the game. If it's a hundred dollars, everyone's gonna assume, based off of their track record, that gta6 will, it'll have the, the perceived value, that it'll be worth a hundred dollars. That's really what comes out. New people see mario kart. It's like another mario kart game or it's a. It's a cheap racing game. How, how in the world is there gonna be 80 for the content there and stuff like that it's. It really comes down to like if you thought that that the game was, everyone was in agreement, that it was a big pack chain with all this content and stuff like that, then it'd be less guess what it really comes down to.

Mark Trobough: 27:01

What you perceive is what. What's it? What's it worth to?

Brandon Hurles: 27:03

you Guess what. Here's the thing that people don't factor into that Mario Kart 8 Deluxe $60 game. Gotta get the expansion pass. You have to pay for that right. Nobody complained about that. You have to pay for Nintendo Switch Online People do complain about that, but these are separate costs.

Mark Trobough: 27:22

It's not like, well, because people assume you're still gonna have to pay, that those costs on top of the 80 cost you.

Brandon Hurles: 27:31

we don't, we don't know that, though we don't know, but let's know that there'll be x. We don't know yet fair.

Mark Trobough: 27:37

You can kind of assume any extra dlc you're gonna pay more for, that's just an industry standard and stuff like maybe maybe I mean maybe we we don't know yet it could happen for sure.

Mark Trobough: 27:47

I mean, I'm not saying it wouldn't happen at all, but I also think nintendo might be dlc for it for sure I think nintendo might be trying to take advantage of the fact that it's a it's like their only first party game at launch. So most people that are going to get this at launch will don't won't have a problem paying the 80 dollars and then maybe by the holiday season, they drop it down essentially what?

Brandon Hurles: 28:07

I'm always to 70 pissed off about is that on that, that survey, I accidentally clicked the non-bundled version, meaning I would have to buy it separately I mean that's assuming you're, if I get through.

Brandon Hurles: 28:20

Yeah, if I even get through on that. I am at with my knowing my luck I won't even get through on that. With my luck I won't even get through on that. I'll have to try to find it from a retailer and it's going to be a whole fight in the scalpers thing. That's what I'm worried about. I'm so worried about that. I keep thinking about it.

Mark Trobough: 28:36

And we do have some news later on as far as, like the, at least for over here in the US and some of that stuff the us and some of that stuff, the new.

Brandon Hurles: 28:43

Uh, yeah, let me uh show the two. I just hada couple small pickups real quick, one of my I can't actually like show in person, so yeah, just just you know the uh, about a half hour in, we haven't even gotten back to any of the main content we were going to talk about yet pickups and then bam off to the races all right.

Brandon Hurles: 29:00

So very, very, very expensive pickup that I got was this particular monitor here. It's Alienware. It's a 27-inch 4K QD OLED gaming monitor. It was $900. It was very expensive. I have a PS5 Pro.

Mark Trobough: 29:24

It's like the price of a PS5 Pro. I've got my. It's like the price of a.

Brandon Hurles: 29:26

PS5 Pro. It's more expensive $100 more expensive.

Brandon Hurles: 29:33

But yeah, it's fantastic, it's absolutely wonderful. I haven't spent a ton of time with it, with gaming yet, but my God, it's unreal how crazy things look on it. Man, it's just nuts. But uh, yeah, that was my, my most expensive pickup, which is, uh, breaking the bank there a little bit. But uh, I also got. On a smaller note, my, I'm sure a lot of people are aware of sheets now because they're like everywhere. Well, sometimes they carry pokemon cards. I went in there. They had a standee. I've gotten two of their standees before in the past. I wasn't able to get this one. They threw it away before I could get it, but I bought the last three packs they had there and they happen to all be different designs. This is the first time I've been able to buy any Journey together and I've been looking.

Mark Trobough: 30:25

Where did you get those at Sheets? Okay, because, like my GameStop just Completely stopped carrying.

Brandon Hurles: 30:27

Yeah, mine did too. Mine's not carrying them either. I mean, obviously it was closing down, but they stopped Getting in a while ago.

Mark Trobough: 30:33

I know it's frustrating Because, like essentially, I'm at this point where I was like I have to buy them online Because Walmart never carries them. They're always sold out. Well, these are the first new Pokemon packs I've gotten in a very, very long time years Usually if you wait like a year and stuff like that, the scalpers moved on to the new set and you can get some of the older sets Once they they get more prints out later, I would do since evolving skies.

Brandon Hurles: 30:54

This is the first time I got in a new set. When it's the new set, you know what I mean Like there's something fun about just just ripping Pat ripping guys.

Mark Trobough: 31:02

There's something fun about just just ripping pat ripping a handful of packs and stuff like that.

Brandon Hurles: 31:04

I had these for like five days. I haven't even opened them yet. I mean to be fair.

Mark Trobough: 31:08

I at one point I think I bought a bunch of cards over the span of like three months up until christmas, because I have like two weeks off of work. And then I just had like a crap ton of cards. Like I just spent you know two, three days just just ripping and organizing them because like I just I just packed it, bought a little bit here, bought a little bit there. So I was like this is like my Christmas gift to myself, a whole bunch of cards.

Mark Trobough: 31:26

I spent like two days ripping them and going through them. I had enough time and enough enjoyment out of it.

Brandon Hurles: 31:30

The one thing was I was deciding if I wanted to do shorts with them, and then also I don't have anything to put them in, so I need a binder you got to get the sleeves top loaders for some of your, your good cards.

Mark Trobough: 31:41

Then you don't need a binder right away, but a binder for for the cards as well but I've already at the very least you should at least leave them all. The already got a good stack of cards that need to be put in something at least make sure you got the sleeves and then buy a handful of top loaders. If you get any. Any good pulls, you know, you know stuff like that. You put your good cards in those and stuff like that.

Brandon Hurles: 32:01

So yeah, what I wanted to get was like one of the retro, um, like old school poke. I've actually been looking. Um, there's somebody on facebook marketplace as two and I had one of the binders. As a kid I had the charizard one. He's got the charizard and blastoise like 90s pokemon card holders and he's got them on there for 25 bucks. They got a little damage on the back, but he said he'll come to Circleville this week, so I think I'm going to get those.

Mark Trobough: 32:29

Just double check make sure the actual inside's not damaged where the actual cards are going to go.

Brandon Hurles: 32:33

Yeah, I'm going to double check them, but if that happens, that's really really cool.

Mark Trobough: 32:37

I do know they say if you're going to store them you don't want, unless you can avoid it, you, uh, you don't want the, the three ring binder storage oh really ones that actually have the actual.

Mark Trobough: 32:50

Uh, because it's easy for the cards to get bent on the three in a three ring binder if you stack them incorrectly. You can technically do it here there, because I I ended up having to do it because it's just cheaper to get the three ring binder ones. But you have to be careful that you're not. They're not going to get smushed up against the ring binder and get smashed and stuff like that.

Brandon Hurles: 33:09

So it'd be cool if I get some of those retro ones pick up a few of them.

Mark Trobough: 33:14

Why?

Brandon Hurles: 33:14

not, they're cool. I mean, they got a little damage on the back. You can see on the photos. They're old, they're from like 98, so but I I had to be damaged one way or another. Yeah, I had the charizard one, so it'd be cool to to have that again. He's also got the blastoise one. So, um, and there's a venusaur one out there that'd be cool to get too. But yeah, I just got to get something to put them in. So that's, that's the main reason. Like, see, I got like a random pokemon card just sitting here. That's been. I got a stack sitting over there. That's you know. Yeah, I haven't been big on buying the. I'm big on the tcg pocket. I really am. I think it's a.

Mark Trobough: 33:51

I think it's a great app the easiest way, the most accessible and stuff like that it is.

Brandon Hurles: 33:55

It's much easier for me and I'm just not fighting the scalpers for these. But I also got the pokemon select mu statue here, or not statue, but it's like a I guess you would say like a figure, uh, but it's from the select line. I really like the select line I've got lined up. I wish I could show you guys the lineup all here, the pokemon like statues that are all like different designs and come with two pokemon each. Those are all setting right here in front of me. So I saw the pokemon select mu. Mu is one of my favorite pokemon so I had to get that there. Unfortunately they don't have a pokemon select like celiby or jirachi or anything. I wanted to get some of those but, uh, I was really hoping I like, I like the, uh, the little you're. So your little statue that you got me from japan got me to open up all the other ones and put them out here.

Brandon Hurles: 34:42

So that's the reason, reason I did Cause when I opened that up it was the first one I put over here those I left sealed for months I mean, I had probably actually won them for like a year and uh, I was like you know what? I'm going to open these up.

Mark Trobough: 34:55

All these look good, right here, I really now now I really want to get the freaking jirachi one of what you sent me, because they're they're blind, they're basically blind bags, so you don't know your blind box. I mean, they did sell where you could get all of them together. It was just like uh, it was like eight thousand, it's like eight thousand yen or something like that. It was like it was expensive they're really nice.

Brandon Hurles: 35:18

I really like them because they got like a pokemon that like floats above it's hanging.

Mark Trobough: 35:23

I'm just saying like japan loves their gotcha pokemon. Pokemon cards like the epitome of that, but yeah uh, I have marvel overpower cards from the 90s.

Brandon Hurles: 35:33

They were thing thing. I remember those cards. I don't know they have any bad you could probably try googling or going to some.

Mark Trobough: 35:40

I know there's like sites for pokemon cards that track the, the value. You could try like searching values and stuff like that.

Brandon Hurles: 35:44

I guarantee my dad still has his mark because he's got all of his comic books. It really comes down to the condition of the card. My dad, he collected the cards comic books. I know he still has all of that stuff, but I've never asked him about it. I feel like I should ask him about it. I think it's the time to maybe be like hey, maybe we. But I've never asked him about it. I feel like I should ask him about it. I think it's the time to maybe be like hey, maybe we should pull some of these out, cause there might be some value and stuff there.

Mark Trobough: 36:08

Like uh, it's valuable. Go get it. Get it graded potentially if it's in good condition, you know, if that's something you want to do he's got the uh comic book long.

Brandon Hurles: 36:20

He was a big Superman guy. That was his main thing, but he had, like I said, the Marvel cards. We even had God. What were the war cards that we collected back then? I think it was for. Was it for the? Was it Vietnam War? Or was it for? Let me see, I feel like it would have been Gulf War.

Mark Trobough: 36:38

then at that point with the 90s potentially, we collected them.

Brandon Hurles: 36:42

We bought the full boxes.

Mark Trobough: 36:43

I had a rough idea what you're talking about it, it's it's hard to tell what they would have done.

Brandon Hurles: 36:47

I just don't remember enough about it yeah, I'm gonna see if I can pull it up the was he ever into magic back then oh, he was not in the magic.

Mark Trobough: 36:58

No, so there's like a zero percent chance. He's like got a hidden black lotus just sitting around. No, because even in bad condition that's still a really expensive card yeah, I'm trying to find.

Brandon Hurles: 37:07

There's like all kinds of different war cards. Yeah, they're all like current. I'm trying to find the exact, the exact line of cards that anyway we opened up and actually it might have been for the um iraq war. To be honest, when did that start?

Mark Trobough: 37:24

iraq was 2003. I think that's when that started maybe?

Brandon Hurles: 37:29

well, yeah, because it would have been afghanistan 2001 iraq 2003 from okay, maybe it wasn't for that, then. I mean, it was it would have been.

Mark Trobough: 37:37

I don't know how quickly they would have like pumped those out, though yeah, I know I think I can't.

Brandon Hurles: 37:42

How I can't find it. I've even seen these come up like uh before. I saw not that long ago. I can't think what the name of it is, so um oh, you say that.

Mark Trobough: 37:56

Oh, my god, I don't know if I can. I don't know. I think I lost it on x.

Mark Trobough: 37:59

I saw somebody with a card with uh, uh saddam on it and like in japan, and took a picture of a bunch of figure, one of those uh used figure stores and stuff like that, with a picture, like you know, I someone like taking along with me or something like that. I just it was funny, but oh, I don't have to, I don't know if I can find it again. I you mentioned, I saw that. I thought it was like super, oh, I found it's desert storm, that's what it was called desert storm.

Brandon Hurles: 38:23

That I thought it was super fun. Oh, I found it. It's Desert Storm. That's what it was called Desert Storm. Okay, I found it. It was from Tops. Alright, I got here. I'll show an image of this, is it? We bought boxes and boxes of these to open. We bought so many of them. It's ridiculous. I don't. My dad didn't particularly, wasn't interested in the military or anything, we just liked trading cards. This was it, desert Storm. These were the cards we bought. We bought boxes and boxes of these and opened them up together. It was pretty fun.

Mark Trobough: 38:55

Yeah, Just try and pull, see what you get and stuff like that, because Topps is always done.

Brandon Hurles: 39:00

Topps does everything, though.

Mark Trobough: 39:05

They do the sports cards, which is like if you're really into like the value of like trading cards, like sport, like baseball cards, it's like, I think, some of the most valuable cards out there. That's how much they go for okay, so here's another.

Brandon Hurles: 39:17

Uh, here I'll pull this one up. This is a updated version of that, or? Or it's another set. It says Pro Set. So I'll pull this one up Because I do remember this box as well. So these Desert Storm Pro Set cards. Apparently 100% of the Pro Set profits from these benefits families of Desert Storm veterans. It says it's interesting there's another variance of those sets, but there was all kinds of cards, all kinds of cards I had. I had the Digimon cards. I had Dragon Ball Z cards, I had Sailor Moon cards.

Mark Trobough: 40:00

I had oh my gosh you can get trading cards for any kind of video game.

Brandon Hurles: 40:05

Now they're even worse, say everything that now, I think it's everything has a trading card, but I've got some all live trading cards. I mean, there's trading cards for everything. Now it's crazy actually. You want to know it's crazy.

Mark Trobough: 40:18

Uh, you want to know how much the most expensive trading card sold for, and it was back in august of 22 uh how much?

Brandon Hurles: 40:25

what was it?

Mark Trobough: 40:26

uh, it's sold for 12.6 million dollars. Oh my god, it is a. Uh, mickey mantle 1952 tops card at a at a graded mint sgc 9.5 can you pull it up by chance, so you can see? The Wikipedia page for it?

Brandon Hurles: 40:44

Is it the long card or is it a regular size card?

Mark Trobough: 40:48

It's just like a regular size card. I don't know how you were going to see the page. I think this was the card I was making me answer.

Brandon Hurles: 40:55

what was the normal size card? Okay, yeah, I was thinking of the one below.

Mark Trobough: 40:58

Yeah, they adjusted the price to like $13.5 million, but it's crazy how much that's the, that's the, the price it sold for, and stuff like that can you uh?

Brandon Hurles: 41:07

baseball cards are ridiculously expensive because they used to do these long cards.

Mark Trobough: 41:10

I always found those interesting uh, this was a 1909 to 1911 honus wagner which sold same month that that one did this, a private sale for 7.25 million, and then a babe, ruth, right there 1914.

Brandon Hurles: 41:28

I haven't even seen that particular baby, and these aren't graded particularly high.

Mark Trobough: 41:32

They say very good three. I don't know what that is with that, but it's also like a a century old card yeah, that's a 19, which means just having the card it wouldn't matter the condition just having the card, and that these are the prices these cards actually sold for, and stuff like that that's man, oh my god.

Brandon Hurles: 41:48

Yes, sports cards, man base baseball. Isn't it crazy, because baseball is like not that relevant anymore? No, but even now.

Mark Trobough: 41:56

I think sports cards now are still more valuable than like pokemon cards and you think of like how that's like how is that even possible? But sports, sports cards. They're very valuable. The people that are into collecting sports cards are willing to spend money.

Brandon Hurles: 42:10

Oh, I know they do.

Mark Trobough: 42:11

I know they do.

Brandon Hurles: 42:12

To be fair, it's the same as Pokemon, because they're both like the craze is ridiculous.

Mark Trobough: 42:18

Yeah, you can price a card at whatever you want, but the value is not there unless someone's willing to actually pay for it, card or whatever you want, but the value is not there unless someone's willing to actually pay for it.

Brandon Hurles: 42:25

The one thing I will say I can see sports cards all day long, but I never see pokemon cards, ever like none. I think my war was completely emptied, had a zero cards there were. There was nothing, not even those like uh repackaged walmart pack cards.

Mark Trobough: 42:41

They didn't have anything there I think it's the one of those that the average person you're just going to. You're going to buy what you want, what you like, and Pokemon is just a really hot thing at at some of these stores. I'm pretty sure if you actually went to an actual proper card store, they probably sell a lot of like sports cards as well and stuff like that. It just depends on the, the who you're selling to. 2 is your target market and people that are probably super into sports cards aren't, like maybe the, the biggest walmart shoppers. I might be wrong, but I or maybe it's just you know tops is better at you know, printing out cards and keeping them in stock yeah, uh, yeah, we got uh.

Brandon Hurles: 43:17

Grove said I work retail and it's insane what people spend on pokemon cards. Yeah, I believe it, man believe it.

Mark Trobough: 43:23

I mean, I guess it's a good transition because for the first time since well, that, what 15 years? Yeah, 15 years was it chingling, chingling I can't really chingling because it's it's all in japanese. I can't. I can't read it. Uh, it's first new pokemon card in 15 years, since the gen 4 cards came out. It's crazy. It's been in like so many Pokemon games.

Brandon Hurles: 43:47

It's been like in every Pokemon game yeah, it's crazy it hasn't had a card. It's weird that. It's just weird to think a Pokemon has had a card in 15 years it's cool, it's getting it, though.

Mark Trobough: 44:00

Yeah, it's always good to see some new stuff like that. It's not the worst design I've ever seen. Like it's not my good to to see some new stuff like that. Yeah, not the worst design I've ever seen.

Brandon Hurles: 44:06

Like it's not my favorite pokemon by no means my favorite, yeah, but it's definitely not the worst. I mean we get, we keep talking about the garbage pokemon and stuff like that. I mean I kind of think there's there's some, there's some janky designs out there.

Mark Trobough: 44:19

I will say uh, yeah, because they chingling was as seen in tcg 2009. Uh, but it's in. Uh, chimeco it's a vol form has 14 cards. So, for whatever reason, it's a vol form gets more cards than the base base set, which is kind of weird to me yeah, they're saying uh, but I mean it's good to see you know old pokemon get some love.

Mark Trobough: 44:45

That's kind of been uh ignored for a while yes, it's pretty interesting, for sure and speaking because I think this is a little bit of pop culture, a little bit of funny uh kind of we talked about it. Have you had the chance to go see the minecraft movie? Because I haven't not yet.

Brandon Hurles: 45:02

I'm me and my daughter are going, so I want to do a video with you about it.

Mark Trobough: 45:06

Um, I'm gonna try to go this weekend. Have you got a chance to see the video? That's chicken jockey video I'll pull.

Brandon Hurles: 45:15

I don't understand the whole reference. I don't get. I actually haven't seen the actual scene for the movie. So if you actually play minecraft.

Mark Trobough: 45:22

A chicken jockey is just a. It's a baby uh, it's a baby zombie riding a chicken. It's just one of the more rare spawns in the world. But for whatever reason, like especially in this movie theater, like they were like prepared, they went nuts and I think they you can't see in the video. I'll play it real quick, hopefully you can hear it. Like they actually brought an actual crazy, because the dude right there brought an actual, actual chick and they shut down the movie and the dude had like bail.

Brandon Hurles: 46:00

I'm sorry, this is just so funny this is a spawn in the game like this can really happen.

Mark Trobough: 46:06

Yeah, the chicken riding a zombie. It's a baby zombie.

Brandon Hurles: 46:09

Right, Right A chicken a baby zombie right and the chicken it's called.

Mark Trobough: 46:13

It's called chicken.

Brandon Hurles: 46:15

You know how much we trashed on this movie, but it's been so successful.

Mark Trobough: 46:26

It's one of the most successful video game movie of all time. Right now, I think it's. It's one of those like they. It's. From what I've seen, it just it's just, it's just a popcorn flick. Essentially it doesn't do anything special but it's just, uh, it's just supposed to be like a, like a fun. It's just a fun, stupid movie, essentially like a popcorn flick that you'd see in the summer. That's kind of what I've heard about around it. I mean, to be fair, the initial from everything you've seen, you're like I don't know how this is this. This feels like they're gonna flop, but it's got, you know, gotten really popular.

Brandon Hurles: 46:54

So it's surpassed super mario brothers movie.

Mark Trobough: 46:58

It surpassed that and it's not even been out that long you know what I'll say this Maybe because I still have that teenage boy mind, that sense of humor in me, but this feels like it's some really good advertising for the movie to see something like this.

Brandon Hurles: 47:14

I mean, yeah, that's pretty funny.

Mark Trobough: 47:16

You know, that whole theater was like they were like I mean, yeah, whoever has to clean that mess sucks to be. Clearly, everybody in this theater was like in on this joke and they were just like waiting for that scene to just go nuts.

Brandon Hurles: 47:29

That's.

Mark Trobough: 47:30

That's hilarious man I I couldn't help but bring that up just because I think it kind of fits we talked about. I was like, oh my god, this dude brought a chicken into a movie theater that's, that's hilarious, oh god, that's I, it's. It's stupid but funny and I couldn't help. But I like I I have to throw this in here because I think it's, I think it's funny oh, that's hilarious, for sure.

Brandon Hurles: 47:51

Yeah, no, we're, we're gonna watch it. I'm trying to make it work out where I can be able to take her there and stuff. So it's either going to be here this is how it's going to work out it's either going to be this sunday or it's going to be next Sunday. It's because we got the podcast, we got the streams. Friday, saturday, I'm trying to work it out. We've got a father-daughter dance tomorrow at our school. Oh nice, we're doing that. It's 5 to 7, so I have to rush him, kind of rush him back to get to the stream and stuff like that for tomorrow.

Mark Trobough: 48:32

But it's all going to work out. If you're going to be late, we'll work it out.

Brandon Hurles: 48:34

No, no, no, we won't be late. I've got it worked out how we're going to do it, so should be on time. Should be good, no problems, but yeah, so what we got next?

Mark Trobough: 48:46

uh, this one's kind of rumored uh, but it's rumored that essentially all these old retro controllers on top of the gamecube controller we could potentially be making their way to the switch to and stuff like that. Uh, it was, uh, it's a. Something was posted on x by uh nash weedle. Uh, it's posted in, I believe, spanish and stuff like that, so you have to translate it, but there's a rumor out there that potentially some of these controllers I think probably the NES controller could be the next one that comes to Switch. I know there was issues with the GameCube because it's only supposed to work with the GameCube on NSO essentially, and stuff like that.

Mark Trobough: 49:22

It's not going to work with anything else on NSO essentially and stuff like that. It's not going to work with anything else, but it's nice to be able to play even if it's primarily on NSO for most of these games, to play them on at least the controller, because it's what feels most natural for most games?

Brandon Hurles: 49:32

Yeah, for sure, and it's one of the best controllers of all time.

Mark Trobough: 49:35

I mean yeah, but if you're playing a SNES game, playing it on a SNES controller, it's going feel the most natural yeah, for sure for sure for better of course you know they're charging like 60 to 80 for these controllers yeah I think the nes controls were 50 when I bought them, uh.

Brandon Hurles: 49:54

But yeah, they're going to have to re-release these because the joy cons are different.

Mark Trobough: 49:57

I mean, they're going to have to but, like a modern controller, it's never going to feel natural, because these games were always designed with a certain controller in mind yeah, for sure, like nes.

Brandon Hurles: 50:08

I want to play with an nes controller, like that's just how it is.

Mark Trobough: 50:11

Super nintendo I want to play a super nintendo controller emulating gamecube games without using a gamecube controller is just god awful because of the way the controller's set up, with the a and everything kind of around it, which is a unique design, but like it means if you're playing these games without that kind of controller, it's kind of janky I have so many variations of game view controllers, like for the switch for pc for all that stuff was the way to go back in the day, baby I had.

Brandon Hurles: 50:38

I have a gamecube joy cons for the switch that turn into a gamecube controller when you put it together. Um, I've got, yeah, I've got. Uh, I wish I could pull some, because I just literally just put them all in a um container. I bagged them all up and put them in containers so they don't get scratched or anything. But yeah, I've got, bro, I've got. I'm. I kid you, it's ridiculous. I think I have well over 100 controllers, well over 100. It's a problem. I have a whole tote full of ones I have not even gone through and bagged yet so they don't get ruined, but the ones I bagged. I've got well over 100 controllers. It's ridiculous. But you know, I've got like 25 plus video game systems. So I'm into a lot of the more obscure stuff like that. So I've got a lot of systems and handhelds.

Mark Trobough: 51:41

But yeah, we also have some, some news uh coming out, but essentially nintendo for the switch 2. It's breaking the trend they've done for quite a while. It's and they don't have analog triggers, it's all digital, which is something I don't think anybody else has gone, because the xbox, ps5 I think they say the steam deck as well also all use digital analog for their controllers, but Nintendo's going all digital.

Brandon Hurles: 52:07

Don't know how I feel about that, but I feel like it has something to do with Joy-Con Drift.

Mark Trobough: 52:14

That would feel weird. I know they did kind of say some of their developers prefer the digital triggers and stuff like that. I don't know how that works.

Brandon Hurles: 52:22

I certainly don't. All they had to. One was go hall effect and I know can I know people that sell. There's companies because I they've sent me out their controllers. Controllers are like 20 and have hall effect choice sticks in it. These are like chinese developed. You know controllers that are like 20 bucks and they have hall effect sticks in them, like I have so many controllers. They have hall effect sticks in them, like I have so many controllers that have hall effect sticks in them. From these different various companies that have like sent me out controllers or that I've even bought controllers from. So it makes no sense why they don't adapt that technology into this, because it wouldn't be a problem. You could have analog I don't know.

Mark Trobough: 53:02

Yeah, I mean, some people say it's like probably the biggest thing is racing games, and well, this isn't really a thing that affects mario specifically triggers.

Brandon Hurles: 53:11

So yeah, I don't know, man, I don't so they what they said.

Mark Trobough: 53:15

Uh sasaki admitted that it was partially due to some very fussy developers preferring digital shoulder buttons, while uh kawamoto said that his team decided that the instant input of digital triggers was a better fit for the switch to over a brief lag that comes with the analog ones, which I'm sure is microscopic to the average player.

Brandon Hurles: 53:36

It's not really that that it's not really all that noticeable, but I mean, if it's a trigger, if it's just the triggers we're talking about, it might not be that big of a deal. I, I don't. I don't know, I prefer the analog triggers because, yeah, so because I don't want to like completely.

Mark Trobough: 53:50

This was for the triggers specifically and stuff like that. So the triggers are what's going to be? Uh uh, digital, uh so, but it's like everybody else doesn't use really use the digital like the. I like what the ps5 does what is this real life? What is this, bro? Just says it real life, like I don't know what you're talking about oh well, let me share, because I've got another monitor crap.

Brandon Hurles: 54:15

Uh, no, I was looking at the images there and it's got. You know how they have the uh where you put the joy cons together. They're like separated. Can you pull the image up? And won't let me pull it up? Uh, I think this is what you're talking about. I just thought that was kind of interesting.

Mark Trobough: 54:31

Yeah, this one it's like rapidly snap into place yeah, why is it like that?

Brandon Hurles: 54:38

what do you mean? I mean who would want to play like?

Mark Trobough: 54:42

that Well, it's just for display purposes. It's just an example of a photo.

Brandon Hurles: 54:48

Oh, okay, all right, I thought it was like real.

Mark Trobough: 54:50

This is very clearly just for them taking a set up for a picture. Because both the Player 1 controllers are on, which wouldn't work if they're in this configuration.

Brandon Hurles: 54:59

What do you think about the Switch 2 Pro controller design? I think it looks good.

Mark Trobough: 55:03

I think it looks fine because the switch to pro controller design. I think it looks good. I think it looks fine because it's pretty much the same as the, the first one. They just put a, put a two and added the c button.

Brandon Hurles: 55:09

It's the only only real differences I would love to hear them come out and say that they've got hall effect triggers and uh or hall effect joysticks like if you're gonna pay more.

Mark Trobough: 55:17

That would be nice to have and stuff like that.

Brandon Hurles: 55:19

But yeah, it's a premium controller.

Mark Trobough: 55:21

Obviously it's something you got to buy separate and I definitely that's a day one day, one purchase for me, because that's how I play every pro control they put out, since the wii uh has always been a just a really nice controller I agree, 100, I agree, yeah, whatever reason they can they're. They're the classic pro this, can this? Setup I, this setup I can't stand, but they're real.

Brandon Hurles: 55:43

They, their pro controllers are always, always nice always nice and and I still think I actually prefer the wii u pro controller over the switch pro controller just slightly. I love the way that it feels.

Mark Trobough: 55:54

It just feels perfect and it's got like a 90 hour battery life it's crazy long one and you can tell they didn't really easy obviously you've got the, the millimeter jack and stuff like that. They just added a few things and they essentially it's. You add the. Yeah, they talked about the back buttons but like, why change the design if it already works?

Brandon Hurles: 56:13

the sticks do look a little different. It's got that little shade underneath it where it's. You know, if I can grab one of my pro controllers? Yeah, it doesn't work. The battery's dead yeah, so it's got like that shade underneath it, that gray shade on the. Uh, oh, to have the have that difference and stuff like that yeah, it just makes it stand out a little bit different.

Brandon Hurles: 56:34

So like looking at it like you got the c button obviously is like the main difference, but it does look. It does look different, like where the little lines are and stuff like that is completely different from the switch pro controller.

Mark Trobough: 56:50

Yeah, more top down. Yeah, I mean it's slightly different. You don't have that little see through, but it's. Is that the actual pro or is that something else?

Brandon Hurles: 57:01

that's the pro controller, oh, sorry, so your camera's mirrored.

Mark Trobough: 57:04

That's why I was like why is the A on? My camera on the other side of the controller. I think it was when you held it up crap, perfect set, oh man there you go the whole time you just now tell me I didn't notice till just now.

Speaker 4: 57:19

Yeah, no no, no, there you go. Yeah, I mean, it's pretty much the same setup.

Brandon Hurles: 57:24

It's definitely the same type of setup, but you can also see in the. Joy-con, yeah, so yeah, I mean it looks like a good controller, though it actually reminds me more of the Wii Pro controller or the Wii U Pro controller. I'm sorry. I guess, that's what I didn't have it's so good because the battery life on it was ridiculous. It was like you get 80, 90 hours of battery life out of it, Like that's just a fact, Like you really can it's insane.

Brandon Hurles: 57:54

It's crazy. Yeah, it was great controller. I loved it. But obviously the six stick setup was a little bit different. It was set up like a PlayStation controller. Stick setup was a little bit different. It was set up like a PlayStation controller. Maybe Nintendo doesn't want to pay royalties to whoever created the holosticks. They probably find it cheaper to use a stick. They're so cheap. From what I heard, it's sub a dollar to use holofix joysticks. That's what I heard. That's coming from a pretty good source. You're looking at sub a dollar to add into the controller. If that's too much for you, you're a little questionable.

Mark Trobough: 58:35

Yeah, y'all pity pension here. We also got three new Sega Genesis games coming to the NSO this April. Yeah, it's, it's this month. Yeah, I don't. I don't have the actual date, but the three games coming, it's a es or e-swat, city under siege, streets of rage and super thunder blade. Are the new games coming this month to nso?

Brandon Hurles: 59:02

good games be added for sure street, I think the big one there is essential yeah, street rage is like the one big one there, obviously yeah, super thunder blades a really good uh shooter too. But uh, streets of rage, yeah, for sure that's. That's an essential for the sake of genesis all right.

Mark Trobough: 59:19

So, if I'm reading this right, they should be on there now, but like don't okay. So, uh, on april 10th so this was yesterday these games came to nso so they're all three on there now.

Brandon Hurles: 59:30

I'm trying to figure out exactly what I was looking for, and I found it it's always good to see some, some games that have been forgotten, you know I did want to bring up that um obviously has to do something different with the joysticks because they got, you know, lawsuits for the Joy-Con drift and stuff like that. So I'm curious, like what they did differently with these new?

Mark Trobough: 59:53

I'm not sure.

Brandon Hurles: 59:54

Did they lose that lawsuit? No, I don't know. I I don't work.

Mark Trobough: 59:59

All I know it was it was a big problem, it was a really big, I mean you get this big lawsuit but like, if they didn't lose, if they, if they won the lawsuit, there's no incentive to like change because they outside of oh dude, there is an incentive to change.

Brandon Hurles: 1:00:12

I'm pretty sure they lost. I'm like pretty sure they lost. I'm just saying I've got no idea.

Mark Trobough: 1:00:16

I had not something I felt up on, because I still have my my original joy cons for my switch. I don't play it in handheld most of the time, but I I I've never ran into the joy con drift on my switch, but that's probably because I never, are hardly ever play it in handheld mode. So there's multiple class action lawsuits that were filed against nintendo um, which probably would have been shoved into one if it was all for the same thing, essentially.

Brandon Hurles: 1:00:39

But was there ever?

Mark Trobough: 1:00:43

actually was it ever? I just want to try and or is it what I'm trying to look at?

Brandon Hurles: 1:00:49

it looks like it might still be ongoing, actually, because these things usually.

Mark Trobough: 1:00:53

Usually take, like you know, several months to a few years.

Brandon Hurles: 1:00:57

So some have been resolved through settlements between nintendo and the plaintiffs. Um then it was just it was cheaper to settle out of court yeah, despite nintendo's free repair program and design revision, some consumers report the joint con uh drift persists and the fundamental design flaws haven't been completely resolved. So there are still some ongoing cases right now, but some have to be fair out of court, considering probably where the by the time.

Mark Trobough: 1:01:26

That was all they're like. Well, the switch 2 comes out, so why bother with the switch? It's by the time we fix it. No one's buying this console in any ways.

Brandon Hurles: 1:01:33

So there's no, there's no point but they're wanting to still sell it for several, they've said.

Mark Trobough: 1:01:38

They've came out and said and yeah, but like, let's be fair, like there's really not a whole lot of incentive to to make essentially said if you can't? They basically said this in pr if you can't afford switch, to just get the switch one and you can be in our ecosystem because, like to be fair, outside of probably a uh of the of the new mario kart game, the, at least the first year or two, you're going to see mostly crossovers for their first-party titles.

Brandon Hurles: 1:02:05

I'm going to say a hot take here. I'm sorry, but if you, the other systems are all more expensive than the Switch 2. If you cannot afford to get the Switch 2, you probably shouldn't be gaming. I'm just saying, maybe it's not a priority that you should be focusing on. If you can't afford to grab the Switch 2, maybe it's just not something you, you know, grab.

Mark Trobough: 1:02:29

I hear a lot of people that dunk on it.

Brandon Hurles: 1:02:31

It's like, oh well, the I think the price is very fair, the technology that's inside that is like the technology that's inside the PS5 Pro as far as far as, like the DLSS and stuff like that that's going on inside the system. It's pretty heavy stuff, man.

Mark Trobough: 1:02:48

I was going to say a lot of that stuff is just people just dunking on Nintendo because it's just fun to dunk on something like oh well, you can emulate it and I'm sorry I don't get that dunking on culture.

Brandon Hurles: 1:02:59

I get so tired of it, man.

Mark Trobough: 1:03:00

I mean it's just the internet. Negativity always attracts more attention, so it's it's just the evolution of the console wards. It's not a console where it's the console versus pc war at this point I mean get over it like I'm into all of them.

Brandon Hurles: 1:03:12

I love all of it. All of it, play all of it. I have no problem.

Mark Trobough: 1:03:16

I never had because I've seen most of it. It's not.

Brandon Hurles: 1:03:18

I'm a huge nintendo fan, but I play all of it. I'm really big into PC gaming now because of you.

Mark Trobough: 1:03:26

I only have the Switch for Nintendo games. I don't even have a Steam Deck, I'd rather just play it on my PC. I don't do anything handheld anyways half the time.

Brandon Hurles: 1:03:36

Even my Switch, I primarily play it docked if a Steam Deck 2 comes out, I'll definitely get it, but it's like, uh, it's so underpowered that I just, I just have no.

Mark Trobough: 1:03:45

I mean steam deck's been out for for years. At this point it's almost a little switch.

Brandon Hurles: 1:03:48

I feel like, yeah, it's just so underpowered. I have zero interest in grabbing, because I'm working on building up my Steam library now, just waiting on that Steam OS, so I don't have to get Windows 11, because I just don't want Windows 11. What do you mean?

Mark Trobough: 1:04:08

the Steam OS. You talk about Steam making its own operating system. Yeah, it does have that on Steam Deck no, designed for PC, essentially Its own desktop operating system. So instead of using, like, windows 11, you could use steam's os or you go that sounds terrible. Windows have been around way too long for me to switch to yeah, but like, let's be fair, when the windows 11, because I have to use it for work, I hate it. I hate it so much I hate it too.

Brandon Hurles: 1:04:37

I mean, I wish I could go back to 10, but uh, I wish I could go back to 7 personally.

Mark Trobough: 1:04:41

But I mean, I wish I could go back. I want, I want windows 7. I think it peaked, but with the uh. I want 7 with the aesthetic of 10, because I like how some of the looks. I just don't like the layouts and some of the the unnecessary changes they made it peaked at xp.

Brandon Hurles: 1:04:57

I will stand behind that forever. Oh my, I think no, it really peaked with.

Mark Trobough: 1:05:01

MS-DOS. That's really where it peaked at, or what's it?

Brandon Hurles: 1:05:04

98, 97 98 was good too. 98 was good too. All we know is we're in agreement that.

Mark Trobough: 1:05:13

Windows Millennium, I think, is what it's called Was like terrible.

Brandon Hurles: 1:05:16

Trash and. Vista was terrible, absolute garbage.

Mark Trobough: 1:05:22

It's hard to think I can still remember.

Brandon Hurles: 1:05:24

Millennium was so bad too, man. Yeah, those were garbage. But Windows 7, but Windows XP I think I really do feel this way. I feel like Windows really did peak in XP. I feel like that was a perfect operating system.

Mark Trobough: 1:05:39

Windows 7 was just a perfected XP.

Brandon Hurles: 1:05:42

Essentially, it's the same operating system, just not as buggy you can say perfected, but I mean, I feel like it, just like uh it was not as feature rich as xp. Xp was so developed, there was so much going on with it like yeah but I think seven.

Mark Trobough: 1:05:56

It was so easy a lot of issues of xp.

Brandon Hurles: 1:05:58

Seven was good, though I don't have any problems with seven.

Mark Trobough: 1:06:00

I don't have any problems with seven at all I don't have the other issue of like why do we need a whole new operating system, like every five years, like, come on, is this really necessary?

Brandon Hurles: 1:06:09

I mean to be honest with you right now. I wish there was a new operating system to replace 11, because I'm you've, I hate it.

Mark Trobough: 1:06:17

I think you started seeking 10, but you see it a lot in 11, where they're just starting to, to, to advertise. It's the, it's the, the, the force turn on of the ai, because I don't use cortana and I think it's useless. I don't even use siri on my phone. I shut that. Shut that off immediately, um, but it's that and it's like the, the, the advertising you open up like your, your home, you hit like the windows button and stuff like that.

Brandon Hurles: 1:06:37

You're just getting blasted with advertisements, like I don't want that crap there, like it's a whole bunch of other stuff that windows shoving into their operating systems and I'm like I don't stop advertising, I just want my never once used cortana, but there's plenty of ai stuff that I do use like trash. But like I mean, the google ai is like pretty much automatic.

Mark Trobough: 1:06:57

You search something, you get the ai search result first I think the only ai I really ever use is is chat gpt. Yeah, you chat gpt a lot because you get.

Brandon Hurles: 1:07:07

I use it periodically here, but I use grok, to start using grok I don't know, I haven't used grok. Grok's good, grok's really good. I mean, you get good answers and truthful answers, uh on there. So, uh, there's no uh wavering of you know crap going on there, any woke stuff and things like that. You don't have to worry about that stuff.

Mark Trobough: 1:07:26

But uh, yeah, grok's pretty good yeah, and then I, we kind of already knew about some of this other information, but obviously, uh, it's you reiterating the fact that, uh, of Imprisonment, they say it's going to be the first Hyrule Warriors game to be included in the official Zelda canon wow, I thought Age of Calamity was canon well, it wasn't included in the official canon, but this one apparently, because technically that's in a alternate timeline, mostly when you play the game it doesn't really this one based off what they're saying.

Mark Trobough: 1:08:01

This is actually it's not what they tease with that and then you didn't really get it which was the build-up to of the invasion. This is actually supposed to be the, the timeline that we know it's taking place in from what they're they're alluding to there. So it's the actual war in that game that you just don't really get to see outside of like one or two flashbacks and you barely get to see it.

Brandon Hurles: 1:08:21

So this is supposed to be the full so this is essentially straight up prequel to Tears of the Kingdom.

Mark Trobough: 1:08:29

Well, no, because this, the imprisoning war, happens in that game, because you see in the flashbacks when Zelda gets right here the game provides a backstory on the imprisoning war that the events of Tears of the Kingdom. You already know if you played and beat the game. You already know what happens, because of the flashbacks with the, with the, the teardrop water thing. Whatever you want to call it.

Mark Trobough: 1:08:47

So this is just diving into that flashback it's just expanding more of what actually happened that you, that you missed and stuff like that, which is cool, because I you don't get a.

Brandon Hurles: 1:08:56

I mean to be fair. As much as I love tears of the kingdom, even with the backstory elements that you, you collect and you're like, you don't even have to get any of that. You have to collect them. They're optional.

Mark Trobough: 1:09:06

You know what I mean? Yeah, which is frustrating. You can completely miss them you can completely miss and you always get them out of order, unless you're like following an actual guide.

Brandon Hurles: 1:09:16

You get them out of order, uh. But yeah, I mean so like this is cool to actually dive into that because I'm interested in in more what happened, you know, in the story of of those games and if this is the way they're gonna love them so much and we've already talked about it, I don't mind this kind of uh zelda storytelling.

Mark Trobough: 1:09:33

Moving forward with your mainline game is they're gonna keep the same stuff with with breath and tears, and they're going to have this kind of somewhat flashback type stuff. So you fill in that stop gap with the high world and the story. Oh it, it alleviates that five-year gap or so between games and stuff like that.

Brandon Hurles: 1:09:50

So I don't I mean you can't disregard the, the 2d games and stuff too. You had links awakening, no, but like usually the 2ds are their own thing.

Mark Trobough: 1:09:57

this is like filling the gap of like a mainline game and it's that big console stopgap. Yeah, I feel like this will still be more popular than the last one we got. I might be wrong about this, it's just filling just because this one's tied into the new mainline games and that's like its own story and it's kind of doing its own thing Because you already know the one, the one we had, like on the name. It's in the fallen warrior timeline between some other games, so it's not even connected to tears and breath of wild.

Brandon Hurles: 1:10:28

it sounds like to me um that that I'm more interested in in this game than I was. You know I like the.

Mark Trobough: 1:10:35

I didn't say that I didn't play the, technically the first one, but the other one for breath of wild. I really enjoyed the game. I played all three versions of the first one I have the very first one, but I haven't got around to actually playing it because I know it's like a super long game and it's just more of like a celebration of zelda 3ds and switch.

Brandon Hurles: 1:10:54

It's ridiculous dedicated yeah, yeah, I was educated, 3ds version is the best, just saying uh, but uh, yeah, I. I mean it's cool. I mean, hey, this means Calamity. I like the original, so I mean I like the gameplay style for it. Unfortunately, age of Calamity had a lot of performance issues, which is really frustrating.

Mark Trobough: 1:11:13

Yeah, but no, I was just going to say now you're getting another game where obviously Zelda is going to be your main main player, because link isn't in this one obviously you're gonna play as like all your actual. I can kind of pull up the.

Mark Trobough: 1:11:26

That's kind of blurry, but I have zero problem with that I'm kind of infer, you're gonna play as all these characters, these characters, yeah, but I mean, obviously you're gonna probably start with zelda and she's gonna be the the center point of the story because link's back in the future doing whatever he's doing. So you could technically say this is the. You're getting two Zelda lead games back to back out of Nintendo for Zelda.

Brandon Hurles: 1:11:47

Yeah, because I'm looking at like some screenshots. You see Zelda doing some moves and stuff, so you probably start with her. I have no problem with that at all.

Mark Trobough: 1:11:55

Yeah, it assumes. I assume it's just going to play like the other two. It's another, it's another warriors like game, so it's not the most challenging in the world, but I mean I'm looking forward to this game. It's probably the next outside of Mario Kart. Donkey Kong and Metroid. This is like the next game on the list of what I'm.

Brandon Hurles: 1:12:13

I mean there's a whole bunch to look forward to on Switch 2. I mean we've got a lot of cool stuff coming. I guess you got All of those are straight pickups for me. Yeah, and Legend ZA that's five big titles right there coming out all soon. So yeah, I'm hyped dude.

Mark Trobough: 1:12:34

I can't wait for the console. I mean getting more Zelda consistently. That's not Skyward Sword, love the story. Gameplay was atrocious, if you ask me. Gameplay was atrocious, if you ask me.

Brandon Hurles: 1:12:42

Gameplay was atrocious on the Switch.

Mark Trobough: 1:12:47

I don't like the forced motion controls, even with the Wii, the game's also super. Even on the original version it's super hand-holdy, let's be fair.

Brandon Hurles: 1:12:57

I don't mind the linearness, it's still a good game. I think it's still a great game.

Mark Trobough: 1:13:02

I don't hate the linearness. I don't hate the story, it's just the. It's one of those games where I cannot stand the gameplay. It's just really all there is to it I like to game.

Brandon Hurles: 1:13:07

It's like other and I didn't like.

Mark Trobough: 1:13:09

I don't mind the story, but I hate the gameplay to me.

Brandon Hurles: 1:13:11

It was so bad on the switch. It's the only I. I mean, I beat it on the wii, but it's the only like re-re. I guess that I've never beat before. I didn't beat it on the Switch because I hated it so much. I hated the way they tried to make the mechanics of the game. I thought it felt terrible. I could not get used to it. I just did not like it at all. Thinking of gyro, controls just do not work like the IR sensors. They don't. They just don't. It wasn't really gyro. Gyro is not even comparable to using the Wiimotes.

Mark Trobough: 1:13:49

Didn't they say this game comes out next year, sometime in 2026, I think Is this a 2026 game. Is this winter?

Brandon Hurles: 1:13:55

I thought it was coming out this year?

Mark Trobough: 1:13:58

Was it this year or was it winter?

Brandon Hurles: 1:13:59

I don't know I had to look actually because I could be wrong.

Mark Trobough: 1:14:03

Real quick.

Brandon Hurles: 1:14:05

They've got a good timeline of games coming out this year, so it could be next year.

Mark Trobough: 1:14:11

Yeah, I'm not sure I've got to pull up the actual direct one.

Brandon Hurles: 1:14:14

Yes, you can pull up the date.

Mark Trobough: 1:14:17

Yeah, it says coming this winter, so essentially it's like December to February.

Brandon Hurles: 1:14:21

So this is a this year game, so we're getting all kinds of potentially. It says we got a lot of big games.

Mark Trobough: 1:14:25

This year might not come out. This year might come out next year. Technically, what they said winter, which means that they haven't settled on a date yet regardless.

Brandon Hurles: 1:14:32

I mean, there's even some third party stuff that I'm picking up at launch. There's a couple games I've got already on my list that I want to grab. So I'll grab mario kart world, and then I think there's three other games I want to grab at launch. So, um yeah, I'll have my hands full and launch with that. That's just I. I just I am so worried about not being able to secure one. I'm I keep thinking about it. I'm like, oh my god, I really hope I can secure this on launch day, because you know, I'm always uh, I'm always a big launch guy with with nintendo, like I've just always been there. I was, you know, was the only person out there at launch for the wii u.

Brandon Hurles: 1:15:10

So, uh, you know, it's just important. It's something I'm very excited about.

Mark Trobough: 1:15:16

I'm legitimately very excited about this system, but you're excited about maybe getting more. Uh, what is it gen? Is it just gen 6?

Mark Trobough: 1:15:28

uh 360 or ps3 games to get more remasters potentially. Yeah, that's good, it's always good to hear some new stuff. So, uh, I don't know how you're going to be able to see this. I'm going to try to zoom a little bit. It's a night dive. Studios was uh asking for suggestions for new uh three, 60 or PS three, a potential remasters, essentially uh on their social media. So the studios previously worked on Turok three uh, star Wars, dark forces, the thing quake two, uh, as some of the games they've worked on, and then some of the some of the games people were asking for or some of the some of the games people were asking for, or some of their more popular request was uh, the riddick duology lost odyssey blue dragon the darkness and yakuza dead souls.

Brandon Hurles: 1:16:13

I know nothing of these games. Lost odyssey and blue dragon, yes, a hundred percent, I have not played. I know the darkness, I have the darkness, but I haven't played it. Yakuza the dead souls, I don't know anything about. And then the Riddick games I have. I played a Riddick game, I don't know which one it was. Um, so I I, when they're saying duology, I don't know which one I played, I can't remember.

Mark Trobough: 1:16:34

Uh because I fantastic games there are there. There are rpgs. Yeah, some people were asking for for haze. I don't know anything about that game. Yeah, that's a good game. A few people asking someone saying x-com absolutely bad company. Dragon age origins some of these games might be a little hard for them to remake, but, uh, it's one of those people it's like. You know, it's always good to see some some old games. More, uh, more halo 3.

Brandon Hurles: 1:17:02

To be fair, you can already play that game right now. It's coming from Spartan War games.

Mark Trobough: 1:17:08

Yeah right, I mean it seems like the Killzone games have kind of gone on the back burner.

Brandon Hurles: 1:17:12

A lot of verified accounts that are responding to this huh.

Mark Trobough: 1:17:16

Batman Arkham A Bully remaster would be really nice. That'd be nice, but it's like, will they do really nice, that's such a good game bully is so good, so that means we need to be on the lookout for another remaster that'd be great.

Brandon Hurles: 1:17:32

The darkness I have played the game but I haven't played enough of it to say what I think about it. But I know people really like it. Yes, the Alice series, for sure, wet is good. Wet is really good.

Mark Trobough: 1:17:49

I've heard some really good. I saw some gameplay. I'm like, oh my god, this is like bad. You don't see games like that anymore.

Brandon Hurles: 1:17:57

It's so good. But the Alice series phenomenal oh my god, you would is phenomenal. You would love it. You would love it Seriously. The Fear games I go on and on about those. I got those on the PS3 and 360. I haven't played that one.

Mark Trobough: 1:18:14

It's a Square Enix game. Definitely a lot of people want a lot of the more niche games. Darkwatch.

Brandon Hurles: 1:18:20

I know about that one, but I haven't played it.

Mark Trobough: 1:18:23

Azura's Wrath.

Brandon Hurles: 1:18:24

Azura's Wrath is a game I told you I want you to play on PC because it's basically an anime in a video game. You basically play the anime. It's essentially an anime. I swear to god, it's as close as you can get to an anime video game.

Mark Trobough: 1:18:42

There's a lot of good game suggestions. No, but Mark, remember this.

Brandon Hurles: 1:18:46

I really want you to play this game. No, I will. It's on Steam Zero's Wrap.

Mark Trobough: 1:18:51

No, yeah, because I think I got saved.

Brandon Hurles: 1:18:53

You will love it.

Mark Trobough: 1:18:55

So, if you're having a chance, go over and ask for, I guess, drop a recommendation if you want, or over and ask for a drop of recommendation if you want, or at the very least follow them, because they're going to be Joe Rogan's trending? Hopefully not Joe Rogan's trending. I don't know why bring up Joe Rogan.

Brandon Hurles: 1:19:10

You had the tab up. It said Joe Rogan was trending.

Mark Trobough: 1:19:13

It's just on the trending tab.

Brandon Hurles: 1:19:16

Alright, what do we got next? I don't know. Oh, because apparently he.

Mark Trobough: 1:19:21

I don't know. Oh, because apparently he's not trending online. No, because apparently people are talking about it because he uses the word retarded.

Brandon Hurles: 1:19:28

Oh, get over it. That's retarded, that people think that the retarded is so bad. Come on.

Mark Trobough: 1:19:36

Get over it. Oh my god, some stuff just makes me laugh.

Brandon Hurles: 1:19:40

I was like oh wait, of course he's trending's joe rogan people gonna find something to talk abouti.

Mark Trobough: 1:19:50

Uh, I'm sorry. I love, I love this podcast. But if you were worried, pokemon go is allegedly not shutting down from their new owner. Obviously they were sold off. So the ads, obviously the rumor was the game's not doing well. I think there's been an obvious a drop off because at least, whether if you're rural or even if you're not, I don't know the gameplay kind of gets stagnant after a while. It's easy to just not play it for months on end yeah, I do.

Mark Trobough: 1:20:11

I'm playing so long I don't even have it downloaded anymore because unless like you live in a big city, ratings kind of hard and stuff like that, if you don't have like a bunch of people there because you can do remote raids just fine, but like it costs money and stuff like that and there's like a hard limit what you can do a day.

Brandon Hurles: 1:20:29

So yeah, I, I'm pretty out on Pokemon go. Unfortunately, st Rogi is always trending. Yeah, he's trending did. I miss. Yeah, he's trending.

Mark Trobough: 1:20:42

Did I miss something? That's Jit.

Brandon Hurles: 1:20:44

Rogan. He's talking about Jit Rogan, oh St.

Mark Trobough: 1:20:48

Roggy. Okay, I don't know all the names. Y'all call him.

Brandon Hurles: 1:20:51

We're going to have him on here someday guys.

Mark Trobough: 1:20:57

That's crazy. What do they Pikachu would do if he's on DMT? That meme's never going to not be funny to me.

Brandon Hurles: 1:21:09

The DMT video is so funny just to watch of him. You remember the show on TV? It was like Joe Rogan questions everything. Do you remember that?

Mark Trobough: 1:21:22

It sounds familiar. I don't think I've watched it, though, so that's where the DMT thing came from.

Brandon Hurles: 1:21:26

That's where it all started. He was checking out all these things Aliens and Christianity, it was like, everything it was like.

Mark Trobough: 1:21:39

One of the other funny things is when he had Alex. It was like one of the other funny things is uh, when he had a, uh, alex, uh alex jones. Yeah, alex jones on and he's like I can't remember. There's one more reason. I'm just like you know what. I think I might be a little stupid. That's another really funny moment.

Brandon Hurles: 1:21:57

That's a joke the thing about, like joe rogan is so funny. He's so uh self-deprecating, like if he doesn't know something about something. You want to bring that up say something yeah, jimmy, pull that up, let's verify. I mean, at least he does like verify this stuff, though you know what I mean, like a lot of other people don't verify stuff, they just say it and that's the problem.

Mark Trobough: 1:22:23

I think he got. I think it really blew up around the time. What was this 2019 when he had the uh area 51 guy on?

Brandon Hurles: 1:22:30

oh, uh, what's his name? Um, I watched the whole episode with him.

Mark Trobough: 1:22:35

Yeah, uh that's like one of the big ones that really really blew up for the first time, because I can't remember that was before or after around the same time. Yeah, we're gonna raid area 51, you remember that? Yeah, that was stupid and it nobody showed up. Everyone just went to vegas. Yeah, but that was the bobble czar. I can't stop all of them he was.

Brandon Hurles: 1:22:58

He was big way.

Mark Trobough: 1:22:59

Before that, though he was used no, he, he was, but that's like the real first time I think I remember hearing about the Joe Rogan podcast and stuff like that. It was always around, but it wasn't like culturally relevant. It felt like for the longest time.

Brandon Hurles: 1:23:14

The thing is I'm not getting political on here, because we don't do that, but that podcast is so big and so influential that I think it actually affected the election, like I.

Mark Trobough: 1:23:28

100 feel that way, oh I think to some degree it was the tide of the election.

Brandon Hurles: 1:23:34

I think it did for a lot of people, so I'll just I'll just leave that there not to get too political, but uh, obviously iphone's better than android, you know? You know what I'm saying I agree, I agree, had that unfortunately talk about reluctantly upgrade, like I. I love, love upgrading, but I love.

Mark Trobough: 1:23:56

I love those arguments on that android or apple or android. I'm like you know what I see every time. I hear that it's like the multi-billion dollar corporation I support is better than the multi-billion dollar corporation that you support.

Speaker 4: 1:24:08

Like this is right like they don't care, no, no, that's the point with the console war.

Brandon Hurles: 1:24:13

That was always the deal to console wars. That's why I never got into it like bro. I played xbox at one friend's house. I had the gamecube. I played ps2 at another friend's house.

Mark Trobough: 1:24:23

Either you either actually got a ps3 or teen xbox, and nintendo was just off doing its own weird thing I was never that way.

Brandon Hurles: 1:24:29

I was always the. I would love to have both, or I will play both, depending on where I'm at. You know what I mean.

Mark Trobough: 1:24:35

Yeah, I pretty much grew up like the whole during the whole console, where I was pretty much like I got a Wii, I get a 360 till like the last two years of its life, bro same same same.

Brandon Hurles: 1:24:46

Just had a Wii and I was fine with it. I had a good time with the Wii.

Mark Trobough: 1:24:51

And he realized, oh, all these Japanese games are on the PlayStation. So then he went PS4 after Xbox. Notorious Xbox.

Brandon Hurles: 1:24:59

There was a lot of good games. The XC games on on Wii. Are you kidding me? Pandora's Tower.

Mark Trobough: 1:25:06

Usually they were also On. They're on like Nintendo and like a Playstation as well. The PS3 version would always be better than the Wii, because it's a more powerful console, obviously.

Brandon Hurles: 1:25:14

No, the Operation Rainfall games Were only on the Wii. Pandora's Tower.

Mark Trobough: 1:25:20

At large, most of them would have been on Sony's console in that generation. There was a lot.

Brandon Hurles: 1:25:27

To be fair, when that console launched, it launched at $600. That's why a lot of people didn't have it. It launched at a crazy price, which today would have been like $900 launch.

Mark Trobough: 1:25:43

There were some talks and stuff like that. So obviously you're finally getting Wind Waker on the GameCube of NSO, but it's the GameCube version of Wind Waker which it's like, it's great to see, but like, why are you not getting the HD version?

Brandon Hurles: 1:25:58

but they did fix a lot of stuff and it is running better it's, but like the hd versions, just we would rather have the version. Yeah, for sure you. Just you already fixed it like like the.

Mark Trobough: 1:26:10

There's a lot of people talk and stuff like that. So there was a nintendo vp nate uh dildorf I sure I butchered the name was suggesting that that an HD re-release still could be possible for this game even though it's coming to the NSO library.

Brandon Hurles: 1:26:25

I feel like I don't know.

Mark Trobough: 1:26:29

I would buy it. The HD version is still the way to go because it's going to have the higher resolution and it has all these fixes and stuff like that and it doesn't take you forever to get anywhere. But this is a really popular game. Why just not resell the game from the Wii U was, like always, the frustrating part. You ported everything else, but why not this? This would sell. Well, it's become a really popular, popular game and if you sold it for $60 again after just doing a small little port, everyone would buy this game and you'd make a boatload of money for very little effort.

Mark Trobough: 1:26:59

At this point, just it blows my mind like I get what nintendo wants with the nso, but like people do want the hd version, so like, why give it? Why give us the inferior version of the of wind waker hd when that's always going to be the superior version? Doesn't matter what you're doing to the gamecube version, it's just not gonna be what this is. Even even if you fix all the bugs, the resolution is just better on this version no, I agree, I 100 agree.

Brandon Hurles: 1:27:28

The hg version would be better to have out. But they did say that the all the game cube games are going to be running at a better performance rate, so better frame rate. And they are, they're all. They are all upscaled resolution, so they all do look better than the original game. But it's not the same thing as a remaster which is what this was.

Mark Trobough: 1:27:50

Yeah, that this was a remaster which, at its core, it fixed a lot of issues. It's not just kind of like a, like an upscale the sailing thing.

Brandon Hurles: 1:27:57

That's gonna be like you try to play in the original I can't if they haven't, if they haven't played on the gamecube version.

Mark Trobough: 1:28:03

It's just like. All right, why bother play this game? You might as well just get a.

Brandon Hurles: 1:28:06

We be sailing for 20 minutes and that's it, and it's like the gameplay time we get these days. You'd be sailing for 20 minutes to get to the next spot.

Mark Trobough: 1:28:15

It's crazy at the very least that has to be fixed in this version.

Brandon Hurles: 1:28:18

They didn't fast sailing in hd and they need to have. We need to have that on switch too. Yeah, and twilight princess hd we need to have that on switch too. I, I twat to me. I like wind waker don't get me wrong, but twilight princess to me matters more than wind waker. I, I want that game on on switch too. I love Twilight Princess. I love the dark aspect of that game and I love Midna and the whole story of that game. I think it's just so awesome.

Mark Trobough: 1:28:49

I'm still hopeful that in the Switch 2 generation we're going to get DS games coming.

Brandon Hurles: 1:28:55

I was going to actually ask you do you think that DS and 3DS are a possibility in this? We got DLSS involved now, so it's going to be easier to bring some of these games over.

Mark Trobough: 1:29:07

DS first. I think you need more time to go from the 3DS, but I do think the problem is there. Are you have to. There are some games you have to get.

Mark Trobough: 1:29:17

Remove the 3D option with the 3DS because it's not going to work on this, it's going to be a little bit more to that I I think even if you do get the ds and the 3ds and stuff like that, you're going to get the older games first and it's really only going to probably primarily be major first party games of nintendo that they want, they want to put out here, and it's you're going to get everything but the mainline pokemon games at this point we know it's still doable because they did it with the castlevania, the castlevania ds.

Mark Trobough: 1:29:46

Uh, I mean, I think they will, because the nso is quickly becoming really the only way to play the bulk of their zelda library, especially for the handheld games, but even the older ones. Like if you want to play zelda, you essentially need the nso, because it's the easiest way to play these games without breaking the bank.

Brandon Hurles: 1:30:02

Still today, the best way to play most zelda games is still on the wii u. You can play almost everything up to you. Can't play tears of the kingdom. You can't play echoes well, that's all.

Mark Trobough: 1:30:13

That's assuming that you, uh, that's it. You got everything before the, uh, the, the e-shop shut down. There's ways around that. Yeah, you, obviously you can mod it, but you, you could, you could get around and emulate most of these, all these games, if you really wanted to at the end of the day, so yeah, yeah, I mean uh, it would be nice to have like an actual physical cartridge with all these games on there I agree like that, even if you made it like a four-part series for $100,.

Mark Trobough: 1:30:43

People would pay the price for it.

Brandon Hurles: 1:30:45

I'm a big Zelda fan, I would love to have these games physically.

Mark Trobough: 1:30:50

If you had the creation timeline on one cartridge, the adult timeline on one and then fallen timeline for the most part you could package that up and make a lot. Most of these games would fit on these cartridges. You could do it it takes away from NSO, which is what they really want.

Brandon Hurles: 1:31:06

I do have high hopes. They are remaking Age of Seasons. Oracle of. Ages. Oracle of Seasons. Oracle of Ages, oracle of Seasons. I do have high hopes they are remaking those two games together in a package because, um, I feel like that's the next step for them to do with the 2d zelda.

Mark Trobough: 1:31:29

I just actually do, considering where we're at right now with what we're getting on the switch to with more and better, with the, the, the network connectivity. Yeah, you think, because this is really the best time to actually get another Four Swords game. I would love to get another Four Swords game we already had two, essentially.

Brandon Hurles: 1:31:48

Yeah, we had two.

Mark Trobough: 1:31:50

One was on the.

Brandon Hurles: 1:31:52

It was attached to One was attached to Link to the Past. And then we got Four Swords Adventure on GameCube, which I had back in the day, which was even harder to play. You played it with me.

Mark Trobough: 1:32:03

But with the internet connectivity now to some degree, it would make sense to pick another spinoff game we technically had the 3DS game as well.

Brandon Hurles: 1:32:13

That had online play. I played it. Why am I forgetting the title I played the crap out of it I can't remember. Is just four swords adventure? No, it's not. It's not even like a force oh, is it triforce heroes?

Mark Trobough: 1:32:28

yeah, triforce, yeah, yeah.

Brandon Hurles: 1:32:30

So I guess it's not technically a four swords game because it's it's three people, but it's like it's one of those rare multiple multiplayer Zelda games. Yeah, I mean, I beat the whole game online with people and it was fun like we had a little discord going for it I was.

Mark Trobough: 1:32:43

You know like you're thinking like spin-off games, like another four swords and the style of the uh of the, the last zelda game that we just had back in september. I can't like on the name of it. Uh, maybe that our style, yeah, echoes of wisdom, but use, like the four swords, gameplay style and stuff like that. That'd be cool. It doesn't have to be a big game, just a little spin-off game.

Brandon Hurles: 1:33:05

I would love to see a new Four Swords, but I would love much more to see a remake of Oracle of Ages, oracle of Seasons, put together with the final events of you facing Ganon, because you have to have both games combined together to actually get the final ending. That was the whole deal with the game. Can?

Mark Trobough: 1:33:24

you even do that on NSO with those games.

Brandon Hurles: 1:33:27

I mean, how would you If they released them separately. How would you do that?

Mark Trobough: 1:33:31

Because I don't think you can do it like that it would have to be a remake, want to see a remake, but also want to continue to get new games as well and stuff like that. That's see remakes, but also want to continue to get like new games as well and stuff like that. So I think that that's like the nut, like probably one of the big things I think we should hopefully get with the switch to is another four swords game, because I mean, why not?

Mark Trobough: 1:33:47

I would love to get four swords for sure what they want to do with the, the connectivity with that they want to do, and stuff like that, the on the go.

Brandon Hurles: 1:33:55

They already have the whole their video chat down below, so do that with a four swords game I think it's crazy that I was just looking at nintendo tweets that final fantasy 7 inter remake integrate is coming to. That's crazy. That's the. That's the ps5 version of that game coming to. To switch, switch to.

Mark Trobough: 1:34:18

It's crazy I'm just curious, is it just going to run a little lower on the resolution of the frame rate, or did they cut back on the graphics a little bit just to make sure it was going to run good?

Brandon Hurles: 1:34:27

I really don't know, because according to some of the reports that we saw, they're saying that the Switch 2 version of Street Fighter 6 is the best version of the game over the PS5. That's weird, it's very weird.

Mark Trobough: 1:34:42

I'm not sure I don't understand this, just articles that I've read unless it's like an agreement where it's developed for the switch and then ported over to the ps5, but like if it wasn't I don't know that's.

Brandon Hurles: 1:34:52

It's weird I don't imagine with dlss. Square enix is is firmly knows all the the ins and outs of DLSS. I imagine this does not run any worse than the PS5 version. I really don't think so.

Mark Trobough: 1:35:08

I mean it'd be nice to see PS5 and Switch 2 versions of some games run. I think this runs just as well.

Brandon Hurles: 1:35:15

I truly think. I think there's going to be no noticeable differences between the two versions, Because I'm looking at gameplay right now and I can tell you it doesn't look any different to me at all. It looks exactly like Integrate does on the PS5. Frame rate looks good, resolution looks good. So I think that we all kind of underestimated the Switch 2, honestly Because we all thought underestimated the switch to, honestly, like cause, we all thought all PS4 level and somewhere like maybe PS4 pro. But here we're talking about a PS5 game, a PS5 exclusive game, coming to the switch. So I think we under underestimated the, the switch to, a little bit.

Mark Trobough: 1:35:59

I mean, that's, that's the hope when we actually get our hands on it. It also like if you had not already been following the news though. Uh, so if you have uh nintendo switch online plus expansion pass, you will get the switch to edition upgrades for breath of the wild and tears of the kingdom included in that uh and that thing. So you have to pay the 10 or 20 bucks that they're charging for it In a pocket as Brandon heads out, just keep moving on. So we got some word From Reggie About the Switch 2 pricing controversy. What is it? Sorry I had it pulled up for a second. I don't have Brandon here to go back and forth. What is it? Sorry I had it pulled up for a second. I don't have a brain here to go back and forth while I pull this up real quick. But obviously the price between the console and mainly the games and stuff like that. So I was trying to figure out where it was. So yeah. So Reggie essentially tweeted out Let me pull it up for you all so you can see that makes a lot more sense. About the Wii Sports. Zoom this up for a little bit.

Mark Trobough: 1:37:13

So, as Angie just tweeted out, you know we the story of Wii Sports back in. Uh, we play remote plus and the results from from the, from this YouTube channel and stuff like that. It just feels like one of those you just, you know, just having a good time poking the bear a little bit, but uh, uh, you know, they're talking about it. Obviously, these, these people kind of know what's going on, but, uh, I, I was gonna go a little bit more into this. Obviously we talked about the price and a little bit, uh, a little bit early on with some of the pricing it was, it was kind of brought up in the chat in like the first half hour we were talking. But yeah, I don't have a whole lot and if you really want to go out and watch these, uh, these, we, the, the pack and stuff, is this really long or is it short? All right, so let me, I, we can just we can share this first one real quick, uh, because, why not? This is from the is IGN. Ign was interviewing him.

Speaker 3: 1:38:14

One of the ones that stood out to me was during the debate over whether or not to pack in Wii Sports with the Wii, and Miyamoto pushed back pretty hard against that. It was one of the biggest points of discussion and one of the bigger wins for you.

Speaker 4: 1:38:35

Yeah, it's an understatement to say that Mr Miyamoto pushed back. You know, during the development of the Wii and the Wii Sports software, you know, again, the goal was, you know, we wanted this system to be attractive not only to the most active players but to new players and to bring them into the video gaming experience. And we saw Wii Sports as the way to be able to do that, because each of these sports made great use of the Wii remote.

Mark Trobough: 1:39:13

You have a few, okay, so yeah, so just gonna loop there. But um, I guess the idea and it makes sense, where there's obviously some ideological differences, where some people just want to like sell some stuff to you other times it's like you know the whole, the whole pack and like this makes a lot more sense. And I don't know if if bowser just thinks differently or just didn't push back as much, but that was an interesting take on the whole issue of pricing in games and stuff like that.

Brandon Hurles: 1:39:40

Did you see that? I got to hear a little bit of what you're talking about with Reggie. I saw some of that with the Wii Sports stuff stuff and I thought that was pretty interesting kind of hear some of the backstory and then Miyamoto kind of pushing back on it and stuff like that.

Mark Trobough: 1:39:55

I think this is less about the cost for Mario Kart, where the whole $80, but this the whole like, especially the welcome tour in $10 like that. Really should have just been a pack-in game it should have been a pack-in game.

Brandon Hurles: 1:40:08

I will say this I want to be straight up. I am going to buy it, just so that I can check it out and talk.

Mark Trobough: 1:40:13

Good for you, I I'm not wasting my money on it. You're gonna be a one of like 10 people that buy that game. I think it's stupid.

Brandon Hurles: 1:40:19

I think it's stupid, I really do. It should be a pack-in title or it shouldn't exist at all. But uh, I don't know, maybe I won't, I don't, I don't know, maybe I won't, I don't know yet. I was thinking about doing it for a video, but I don't know yet I guess, if you're able to get it, you could just do it.

Brandon Hurles: 1:40:36

Get it out of the game quickly. Maybe I don't even need to worry about it. There's going to be enough Switch 2 content to cover because, moving forward, I really do want to cover a lot of Switch 2 stuff. There's so much coming out for it that I really want to hone in on that.

Mark Trobough: 1:40:54

I don't know if there's any internal discussions, but I think I agree there's nothing wrong with a pack-in title. It helps you sell your game and stuff like that. If you wanted to sell it at a slightly higher price, you have somewhat of an excuse of well, you're getting this game, though I think welcome to or is not the same as what we sports was.

Brandon Hurles: 1:41:13

No no it, it.

Mark Trobough: 1:41:14

You know the idea of packing games just doesn't exist anymore and it kind of sucks. It's like the standard. You, you, you get some something when you buy the console at launch or not you get like bundles later.

Mark Trobough: 1:41:31

That'll have like you're doing the bundle with the wii, but like ps5 they have like a last of us bundle, they have like a madden bundle or I guess because because they're giving us like the the mario kart world bundle, but like the base thing should have something to play instead of just a menu that you can scroll through that so you can't do anything, you have to, you have to spend extra money on another game. I get the benefit with this. It's back technically backwards compatible, but like there should be something that helps you show off the hardware. Like let's be fair for the switch one. That's what should have been a packet right so astro's playroom.

Brandon Hurles: 1:41:59

That's what that, which was amazing. It was a fun experience like I wish there was more of it and they have updated it since they're just a few months ago. They added content it, but that was an experience for you to figure out the DualSense controller, all the capabilities of it, everything that you could do with the controller. It showed off everything about the console. It went through the history of PlayStation.

Mark Trobough: 1:42:24

It was a pack-in game, but I mean, this isn't even really much of a game. You can explore what the Switch 2 is.

Brandon Hurles: 1:42:31

It's the same concept of Astro's Playroom, but it just doesn't look the same.

Mark Trobough: 1:42:36

No, but you're like sitting here like we knew it when we were watching the drag, like if this isn't a pack and no one's buying this, there's no it's going to be a 1-2 Switch deal.

Brandon Hurles: 1:42:47

It's going to be one of those a complete waste of money.

Mark Trobough: 1:42:50

The problem with the 1-2 Switch was a $60 game and it was not $60. They just got rid of it.

Brandon Hurles: 1:42:57

Although I do have to get that for the full set of Switch first-party games. But I have not bought it because I haven't found it for like $10.

Mark Trobough: 1:43:07

That's like more than the last one I want to get. Wii Sports was such an iconic game and it helped with their later Wii games Wii Sports, games on the road, wii Sports.

Brandon Hurles: 1:43:16

Resort was really good too.

Mark Trobough: 1:43:19

I mean, it was such a good game.

Brandon Hurles: 1:43:20

Wii Sports Resort. Like the thing was that they introduced the. What was the adapter called? I?

Mark Trobough: 1:43:28

know what you're saying. Like the extended adapter that helped with the stabilization the controls and know what you're saying.

Brandon Hurles: 1:43:31

Like the extended adapter that helped with stabilization or the controls.

Mark Trobough: 1:43:32

I just forgot what it was called.

Brandon Hurles: 1:43:33

And they introduced that and I was like man, this is mind-blowing, this is so good, the sword fighting and it was really, really good.

Mark Trobough: 1:43:41

Wii Sports Resort was great, it's just something fun to do. You have a bunch of sports you can play. Hop in by yourself or play with friends or something like that.

Brandon Hurles: 1:43:50

I rolled on everything in Wii Sports. I played the crap out of that game. I played so much of that. Oh yeah, because you could see how much you played at a level. Yeah, tennis was my jam on that.

Mark Trobough: 1:44:01

It was the baseball that I really liked, playing Baseball and bowling.

Brandon Hurles: 1:44:03

Baseball was fun, bowling was really fun, but tennis was my favorite.

Mark Trobough: 1:44:08

Yeah, was really fun, but tennis was my favorite. Yeah, it sucks that. Uh, the pack-in, just if it's just a dead concept at this point. They just want to. It's unfortunate, everybody nintendo, microsoft, so they just want to nickel and dime you to death I mean I'm glad they're doing the mario kart bundle which I like. I said I'm so, technically, not a pack'm packing, it's just a bundle but it does make the game cheaper.

Brandon Hurles: 1:44:32

It does make the game cheaper.

Mark Trobough: 1:44:33

Yeah, so it encourages people to go after that, first and foremost.

Brandon Hurles: 1:44:36

Yeah which is why I'm upset. I didn't select that for the nintendo thing, but who knows if I'll even get through for that.

Mark Trobough: 1:44:43

So yeah, so there was some stuff. If you haven't been following, obviously by now it's kind of been resolved. But there are some issues going around with the physical Switch 2 edition and the upgrades and stuff like that. So there is an upgrade or you can buy the brand new physical. For some of these games like Breath of the Wild, tears of the Kingdom and stuff like that, there's a digital upgrade or you can buy the game again with all that content on the actual physical cartridge If you want the actual cartridge. But I do think they did say it's only the base game in the upgrade pack on these cartridges for the switch too. So you still have to buy the DLC for like breath the wild and stuff like that. So which kind of is kind of confusing. I'm like why not?

Mark Trobough: 1:45:32

have the dlc in there as one one go.

Brandon Hurles: 1:45:35

So I could be wrong from what I just read, because I added into the notes earlier, the dlc is not even a part of the, the the remaster for switch to it's not even. It's not even possible for my understanding i's not even possible to buy it.

Mark Trobough: 1:45:51

I thought you just had to buy it separately, but the fact that it's not there at all just blows my mind.

Brandon Hurles: 1:45:56

Yeah, it was like a big deal getting the motorcycle and then obviously the Master Trials, the first set of the DLC, all that stuff.

Mark Trobough: 1:46:05

Yeah, it's the only part of the game that you can really challenge yourself.

Brandon Hurles: 1:46:08

So let me pull up the article that I was looking at to kind of question that Breath of the Wild stuff. So Zelda, breath of the Wild's $70 Switch 2 release does not include DLC. Going through it here, let's see. So it does not say anything about getting the DLC whatsoever in the Nintendo Switch 2 edition of Breath of the Wild.

Mark Trobough: 1:46:32

Hopefully that gets resolved pretty quickly. There's good content there in those DLCs. Okay, so hold on.

Brandon Hurles: 1:46:39

This says the Switch 2 game card won't contain content from the Master Trials or Champions Ballad. Players will have to buy the expansion pass in addition to the Nintendo Switch 2 edition of this game. It will cost $70, which is $10 more expensive than Breath of the Wild retailed in 2017. At the very least, we know the Switch 2 enhancements will be on Breath of the Wild on the game card. Those enhancements include improved resolution and frame rate, as well as compatibility with the new Zelda Notes feature on the Nintendo Switch app.

Mark Trobough: 1:47:12

But that comes down to purchasable, it should be on there. It should be on, there Is it even worth getting the Switch 2 version of that game, though you just have to. You're essentially paying for the game twice at that point. Well, you can get the upgrade. I mean, I'll get the upgrade for sure. No, but if you wanted the actual Switch 2 cartridge of the game?

Brandon Hurles: 1:47:32

I mean, I'll be honest with you, I'm a big enough Zelda fan that I feel like I do want the physical cart for those games, but I don't know that I'll buy the new as more like a collection thing.

Mark Trobough: 1:47:40

Yeah, like you just didn't steal it at that point.

Brandon Hurles: 1:47:45

Yeah, I don't have. If I'll buy them right away or anything like that, it doesn't make sense to be that expensive.

Mark Trobough: 1:47:50

That makes more sense if you're going to sell for maybe $40 or something like that, or the price of the cartridge plus $10. There are times where you're just like I can tell you're nickel and diming your customers because you know people will pay that price tag for it.

Brandon Hurles: 1:48:05

They will. That might be something for me. I might try to find a used copy down the road, potentially. I don't, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. I I'll do that because I want to have that physical cart for sure, because it's zelda. But um, I don't know that. I want to buy that outright at 70 on already on the game, like I'll get the upgrade, maybe I'll buy the physical. I mean, I think they say, if you have the nso upgrade the.

Mark Trobough: 1:48:29

If you have nintendo switch uh plus online. Yeah, you don't have to. You, you get. You don't have to pay the ten dollars for the upgrade, but the fact that they're oh really charging full retail price for the game on switch uh from what they said uh, here it is.

Mark Trobough: 1:48:45

Uh, and so far, nintendo has only revealed a handful of switch to additions, alongside the fact that most original Switch games can still be played normally through backwards compatibility Metroid Prime 4. Beyond Switch 2, players can pick up enhanced versions of Super Mario, jamboree, kirby the Forgotten this is this was typed weird. Kirby the Forgotten Land, pokemon Legends, ea Breath of the Wild, as well as Tears of the Kingdom. It's worth noting that Nintendo Switch Online plus Expansion Pass subscribers can grab both the Legend of Zelda Switch 2 upgrades completely for free or $9.99 for everyone else.

Brandon Hurles: 1:49:23

Oh, okay, I got Expansion Pass Plus, so if you have the Expansion, Pass, you get those, so you don't have to pay it out.

Mark Trobough: 1:49:29

You so, if you have the expansion pass, you get those, so you don't have to pay it out. You don't have to just put the Switch 1 cartridge in.

Brandon Hurles: 1:49:33

That goes for Super Mario Party Jam 3, too. You get that free.

Mark Trobough: 1:49:36

DLC. From what I was kind of reading, the gamer rant worded this paragraph really weirdly but I was under the impression was the upgrades if you had the expansion pass was free. We'd obviously for for legends out on breath of wild, but I was under the impression for all these games it was.

Brandon Hurles: 1:49:55

I might be might be mistaken, this is just the way they worded this paragraph kind of was confusing I will say the only one, and I played it because I borrowed it from a friend when it came out. I will buy the nintendo switch to version of kirby Forgotten Land because I don't own it already on Switch 1. But I did get to play it. It's really good. It's probably the best Kirby game of all time.

Mark Trobough: 1:50:22

Like Prime 4 and Pokemon Legends. Obviously, you just get the Switch 2 versions of these games. You don't have to worry about the I have to buy the game anyways, so yeah 100, you know for for these, like for for the zelda games. You're sitting here like you've already made your money. Why are you like recharging for retail? But I mean it's, it's the nintendo thing.

Brandon Hurles: 1:50:41

They don't ever want to like lower the price, but it's just I mean, they look, it's not just nintendo they've done we're going to be talking about it a little bit later but they do it on PlayStation and Xbox too. The Last of Us stuff, man, I'm telling you, they've done a lot of weird stuff on PlayStation too.

Mark Trobough: 1:51:02

You're sitting here like. This only makes sense if you've never gotten or played these games before. If you already own these games, this is a complete waste of money. Yeah, we'll get into it a little bit later. Yeah, but just in case you were worried about it, nintendo did come out and say the switch to cartridges will taste bad if you try to eat it, just like this one cartridge. That is confirmed.

Brandon Hurles: 1:51:25

I don't know why this is confirmed, but I saw that I was like, oh it, that's hilarious. Oh man, how many kids are trying to eat? Switch 2 cartridges.

Mark Trobough: 1:51:35

Yeah, I don't know, it's something weird. And then, because there were some issues about it before, as far as like the, Just like the Switch 1, they'll let you know if the game is just a digital key for the download.

Brandon Hurles: 1:51:50

Yeah, that was on switch one. That's, uh, one of the things I keep saying on x people are arguing about that.

Mark Trobough: 1:51:53

I'm like that has been on switch one and they came out and said it will be on the box.

Brandon Hurles: 1:51:57

You'll have to know it, but like it would, say the top of the box, the top of the box on the switch, one would say that this is a, this is, it's a game card, it's a download code or whatever it said it. It always said it on the Switch 1.

Mark Trobough: 1:52:13

Which is why I don't like it. I was like they did this on the Switch 1, because the cartridges are only so big. Obviously they're bigger and better because Cyberpunk 2077, the whole game is going to be on a 64-bit cartridge.

Mark Trobough: 1:52:24

I mean, granted, the game is going to run 30 to 40 frames per second, regardless of the mode that you're on. Uh, so you there obviously had to be some performance drop off, because that's just a really big game. But the fact that they can still put the game on a full cartridge is is still impressive. So hopefully, it's well to be fair, this is really going to come down to the developer. This is going to be their decision whether they're going to put the game on the cartridge or make it a download because I'm pretty sure most of these games were, uh, third-party developers cartridge or make it a download, because I'm pretty sure most of these games were uh, uh, third party developers that had their games digitally downloaded. That's kind of how it was for the switch one, if I'm not mistaken. I don't think there was a first party game that had that download code.

Brandon Hurles: 1:52:59

I don't remember, but I could be wrong the only thing that I can think of and it wasn't technically a first party game was mario ravids. Had that, mario ravids? Uh?

Mark Trobough: 1:53:09

I guess that was also like it was a ubisoft game.

Brandon Hurles: 1:53:12

Yeah, it was like technically there was a ubisoft game.

Mark Trobough: 1:53:14

They were just using the, the mario ip yeah that's the only usually I can think of most of the first party games didn't have that problem. It was third party games that were just too big for the switch one to handle on a cartridge. Uh, but yeah it's one of those things like yeah, you're just like I, okay, but like this was on a switch one, so I don't know why, but it's like bent out of shape.

Brandon Hurles: 1:53:37

But I will say I mean the fact that they can fit all of cyberpunk 2077 on the cart and still run at 40 frames. A second pretty crazy man that's like uh, that's pretty, that's pretty crazy. And yeah, I think with dlss, if they were working more of that and had more time, they could probably get that up to 60 frames.

Mark Trobough: 1:53:55

But you know, I think with with the time of trying to get these games out and and trying to get third-party support out, because actually it's not that bad, with a little compression, because that game is only about, you know, just shy of 85 gigs on my pc. So you had to they. They chopped down about 20 gigs of game files from at least the pc version. I don't know how much, like I do.

Brandon Hurles: 1:54:18

I truly believe they. They ramped up the dlss on it. They could get that to run 60 frames, no problem.

Mark Trobough: 1:54:24

But um, I mean even there, there's a lot going on in that game, to be fair there's a lot going on in the game.

Brandon Hurles: 1:54:29

But uh, I mean's a lot going on in the game, but uh, I mean that's still crazy to see the full game on the cart like that, you know, because that game wouldn't have run at all on the switch one.

Mark Trobough: 1:54:37

I just didn't have the hardware for it. No way, I mean that game struggled on the base level ps4, when it came out to be fair yeah, I don't even know that was.

Brandon Hurles: 1:54:44

We don't even know if this, if this, uh, cyberpunk 2077 has DLSS support at all.

Mark Trobough: 1:54:51

I'm just going to assume that the DLSS was built into that frame rate. That's why they're getting the frame rate, Because obviously there's still some Like that game still can chug on a PC at times, yeah, they're going to mod the crap out of the game, so that's probably why it chugs sometimes for me.

Brandon Hurles: 1:55:07

You got to teach me how to mod these games. I don't know how to do it, you do what I did.

Mark Trobough: 1:55:17

You just get into pc games heavy and I don't know how to mod anything, but I know brandon was super ready for this. Piranha pant uh, piranha plant camera for the switch. 2 and it's fantastic if you want your camera in a 480p resolution, which means you only buy this thing because it looks cool.

Brandon Hurles: 1:55:33

That's the only reason I'm buying it. Who?

Mark Trobough: 1:55:35

is selling a 480p. Webcams at 1080p are like $20 at Walmart.

Brandon Hurles: 1:55:41

How is this?

Mark Trobough: 1:55:42

webcam such low resolution. It's just a piece of plastic with a webcam. I don't understand it.

Brandon Hurles: 1:55:48

I absolutely will not't understand it. This doesn't make any sense to me. I absolutely will not be using it. I mean, like the official one runs at 1080p. Is this Nintendo or is this Hori being?

Mark Trobough: 1:56:00

stupid. This is Hori, this is licensed, but officially licensed.

Brandon Hurles: 1:56:05

Nintendo tweeted about it today. I just pulled it up. So Nintendo tweeted about it. Hold on, let me pull it up. They put out a lot of tweets. They tweeted about it today. I saw it. I'm pretty sure it was today.

Mark Trobough: 1:56:20

Alright, here you go. All you needed to do was take a separate camera. Where is it? Just something like this 1080p $20 camera on Amazon, I guess $25 it's marked out, but like, come on, do we know how? Much the piranha plant camera is probably $50 if I had to guess oh my god, I'm not gonna buy it at $50.

Brandon Hurles: 1:56:45

Get out of here.

Mark Trobough: 1:56:46

I got a bunch of stuff. I'm just guessing $50 there's no way.

Brandon Hurles: 1:56:51

I imagine this is.

Mark Trobough: 1:56:51

Get out of here. I got a bunch of stuff. I'm just guessing.

Brandon Hurles: 1:56:52

There's no way I imagine this is a $20. This has got to be $20. There's no way it's $20. It's got to be, Otherwise you're crazy. I'm not buying it. 25 max 25 max.

Mark Trobough: 1:57:05

Did they even give us a price tag on this thing?

Brandon Hurles: 1:57:07

No, I don't think we have one yet. I'm looking at Nintendo's Facebook because I couldn't see it on.

Mark Trobough: 1:57:12

Twitter. They say it's cheaper than Nintendo's official one. Well, it should be. It's 480p. 480p would be like a $10 camera is what it should be, because that's what it is. It's like a $5, $10 camera. 480p, yeah, 480, we were just talking about 40p is great if you're it's 2004, if people are actually using that for the feature.

Brandon Hurles: 1:57:36

It's gonna be like a bad news webcam, which is all.

Mark Trobough: 1:57:39

This is below 1080p, even being developed. It was like, this is like I'm.

Brandon Hurles: 1:57:43

It blows my mind you know, I saw it was pretty cool we were talking about the game chat and stuff last week right, so Nintendo put on April 3rd they put out a video of people playing on game chat, playing Link to the Past and Four Swords via the Switch, which is like a really cool, actually really cool concept and like a cool way to play Four Swords like that.

Mark Trobough: 1:58:08

I like that I actually like that give us a new one, nintendo? What's going on here, yeah?

Brandon Hurles: 1:58:13

for sure, uh, give us a new one. But no, I do like I like that, like there is some uh functionality for game chat, I think that does make sense. I think in general for me and you like, it's going to mostly not be a thing that we care about, but for something like four swords that would be really cool I mean, like we talked about before, outside of the voice chat.

Mark Trobough: 1:58:33

I think the actual video is very situational and at large it's just not going to be used but, but can we?

Brandon Hurles: 1:58:39

I know we don't have this in the notes, but I would like to bring this up, um, because you, you are a big fan. I'm a big fan as well. Um, the new gundam seed Battle Destiny is coming to the Switch, or Switch 2. Sorry, it's coming to the Switch 2. I don't know if you saw the gameplay, but they just put it on their Facebook 11 hours ago.

Mark Trobough: 1:59:01

What was this? A Vita game? Yeah, this was a Vita game. Originally came out in 2012 in Japan only, so we never got this game in the West.

Brandon Hurles: 1:59:07

Yeah, we never got this game most of these games never came to the West but like this it looks good for Switch 2 it looks really good like it doesn't it's remastered and it doesn't look like a Vita game to me.

Mark Trobough: 1:59:20

I was like, is this the same one as the GBA one that I picked up in Japan? But I was like I can't read it and this was GBA, so it was probably a different game but you can definitely tell this is a fully remastered game, like it looks, like, I think it has like. The vita didn't have really the best resolution it's like this is a good video games look good on a vita, not on a 1080 on a 4k screen had oled screen and everything man look good but it's a small.

Mark Trobough: 1:59:46

It's the. It has low resolution just because of the size of the screen but no, this looks really good like 480.

Brandon Hurles: 1:59:53

This is something me and you could play.

Mark Trobough: 1:59:54

I'm just saying like 480p would look fine on like a cell phone size screen, but like on on a tv it looks terrible when it's blown up but this does not.

Brandon Hurles: 2:00:03

The trailer does not look terrible, which is good.

Mark Trobough: 2:00:06

I would expect him to do a lot of work on to it.

Brandon Hurles: 2:00:08

But is this something that you would want to pick up with me to play? I?

Mark Trobough: 2:00:13

mean, yeah, I love Gundam Seed. I have slight issues with Destiny, but Gundam Seed is one of the favorite Gundam series.

Brandon Hurles: 2:00:20

The gameplay is good. Their best alternate universe series. Gundam Seed yeah, I get it with Destiny, but yeah, the game looks good, because this game comes out in May, so I mean there's another third-party pickup yeah, may 21st. Yep, it's a Switch 2 exclusive, as far as I'm understanding.

Mark Trobough: 2:00:39

No, it's because I pulled up it. It comes out on May 21st on Steam. I think it's going to come out on everything, but.

Brandon Hurles: 2:00:47

I think, I want to have this physically, though I think I want to have this physically, though I think I want to. I want to test out that switch to and stuff.

Mark Trobough: 2:00:53

I think it's the one I would want to have on switch, to get it for the switch and then, yeah, maybe what you go is get it on, but I might just buy it twice steam later yeah, buy it on steam first and then buy, or just buy both of them. Play it on steam but have the physical exactly.

Brandon Hurles: 2:01:06

Yeah, uh, mr coffee said vita screen is great compared to 3ds. That screen looked great. I agree. I think it's still. I have um straight up compared. Yeez, on the like, I put them side by side on the switch and on the vita and I could not tell a difference. So I'm serious like the oled screen on the uh, the, the vita was like it just for the time was unreal. Like they used an OLED screen and it looked so good Still looks good compared to some Switch titles today. Really does, really does. It still compares to some titles today. So I think the Vita's phenomenal, I love it. We got it plugged up at all times ready to go.

Mark Trobough: 2:01:47

Vita really was a good handheld. I didn't play it a whole lot it was fantastic games.

Brandon Hurles: 2:01:52

I love, I love. It's one of my favorite handouts of all time.

Mark Trobough: 2:01:57

But yeah, I guess we can kind of go into some of our, our main stuff. So Nintendo is reporting that they're sending most of their Vietnam made switch to consoles to the U S, essentially. And then because the as for the time being, there's still a 10% tariff in place for the time being. I don't know if it was in this article, but from what I've heard and there was rumors that said more than likely they're willing to take a loss with that 10% and the rumor was they're going to just sell it as is with a slight loss but it also means they're not going to drop the the game prices, though it was very apparent obviously 100 that for us and canada.

Brandon Hurles: 2:02:40

They decided to stop the pre-orders because they were deciding if they were going to raise the price or not well, they needed what the the big thing was.

Mark Trobough: 2:02:48

They need to figure out what was going to happen and where they were going to stand with with, you know, costs and everything else they had to figure out. You know, are we going to keep it, can we take the loss, or what's going on. So I this is not. Obviously they haven't made anything official, but they were. Everything that I've heard is they're they're leaning towards just taking the. They're going to eat that 10 percent loss and sell it as is, because, to be fair, even if you you take that into account it, any increase just makes it that much harder to to sell it?

Brandon Hurles: 2:03:14

yeah, it does.

Mark Trobough: 2:03:15

So you think, like nintendo is not known for taking losses on their handhelds, or I mean on their consoles, period so the I guess we'll find out here in a hot second because, uh, on top of you know that that's that's where most of them are coming from. That's a lot of stuff. Most of the stuff is manufactured in Vietnam. I think they said there's like one or two part, that's a piece of the harbor that's built, that's made in China and stuff like that. But on top of that it's also there's a I don't think it's a rumor thing, I'm pretty sure it's official.

Mark Trobough: 2:03:46

Yeah, because it was on. I'm pretty sure it's official. Yeah, because it was on the 10. Pretty sure it was on attended website that, uh, for the us, and then, probably going to be candid, on top of that, uh, the switch to pre-orders and pre-order invitations from my nintendo will roll out on the 8th of may, which means probably around 8, 9, 10, whatever that week is is when pre-orders are going to officially go live across the board. For the switch to when did you say eight?

Mark Trobough: 2:04:10

uh, may 8th is when the mine, 8th that's when the mine attendo the website. That's when those pre-orders are supposed to roll out on the 8th, which means it's probably going to be that day, right around that same time period, that everything else goes live, or right after that date oh wow, like I've been seeing that it could be any day. Now people are waiting because I think from what everything I'm going to see if they that's a long time to to wait for pre-orders.

Mark Trobough: 2:04:36

So this was pulled from their actual website. At the bottom where you click that register, it says the first batch of invitations will go out starting May 8th, with additional batches of invitation emails sent periodically until purchasing on my Nintendo store is open to everyone. So they essentially pushed it back a whole month.

Brandon Hurles: 2:04:54

Tag on man. That kind of sucks. So that means it's probably going to be pre-orders, like a month before pre-orders for everybody probably.

Mark Trobough: 2:05:01

Well if, based off of what they said before, it was supposed to pre-orders was on what they were going to the day before it officially went live. So you could assume probably the 9th is when, uh, everything's going to be open. Everything across the board is when pre-orders officially start.

Mark Trobough: 2:05:19

So dang yeah, I think people this is just pre-orders, so any day now or from what I've seen, the idea is it's not any day, it's you have about three weeks before the three, four weeks before pre-orders go live. So any day now, or from what I've seen, actually the idea is it's not any day, it's you. Still it's a, it's a you have about three weeks before the three, four weeks before pre-orders go live. So at least we have like an actual uh, a date that they're gonna at least the mine attendo.

Brandon Hurles: 2:05:42

Yeah, they're judging that based on the hours that you have on your switch already is how they're judging it the amount of time you spent on your.

Mark Trobough: 2:05:49

So I mean yeah, because I already. I already did that a while ago, so it's a matter of do. Do either of us get an email that says, hey, you're able to, I spent a lot of time on my switch, so I think I'm good.

Brandon Hurles: 2:06:00

Um, I play my switch the most, so, uh, I think I should be good on hours. I think I saw a thing that said about people having over 100 hours or more on the last. I forget like 90 days. Or think I saw a thing that said about people having over 100 hours or more on the last. I forget like 90 days or something I saw I last night.

Mark Trobough: 2:06:18

Well, I think it's just. They think their site just said lifetime. You needed x amount of hour, like 50 hours, lifetime on the switch oh, really okay all right. I'm pretty sure it wasn't one of those last 90 days, from what the official site. When we went through and read it last time it was just hours played.

Brandon Hurles: 2:06:33

No last 90 day thing. Okay, it makes more sense.

Mark Trobough: 2:06:41

The idea is they were just trying to.

Brandon Hurles: 2:06:44

At the same time I'm kind of like damn, because I selected the wrong one, I'll have to buy Mario. Kart. World separate. But if it comes through wrong one, I'll have to buy mario kart world separate. But if it comes through and I get the chance to buy it, I'm just gonna go ahead and buy it and just do it that way well I guess I was saying uh, the the main thing about the 50 hours was it was supposed to.

Mark Trobough: 2:07:01

It's one of those where it's like it's just cutting out scalpers yeah it's a good concept yeah, right at this point, even if you're gonna to scalp. Well, if you're going to make 10 scalping, you have to have NSO paid 10 times.

Brandon Hurles: 2:07:13

Right, you can't make bots for that.

Mark Trobough: 2:07:16

It wouldn't be cost efficient, even to at this point to do it again. But the idea was where they're cutting out scalpers, because the cost and the time investment based off the original was going to be almost impossible to do.

Brandon Hurles: 2:07:31

I, based off the original, was like gonna be almost impossible to do and I I still stand if, if I see it pop up and and I can buy it for you too, I'll still buy a, a second one, just in case and and if you end up getting it before then I'll just because once we know I'll still, I'll still get my local gamestop just in, just in case and see if I'm able to you, keep you, keep me in mind, don't forget about me that's assuming they don't have.

Mark Trobough: 2:07:50

Like you can only order one type thing. We'll see.

Brandon Hurles: 2:07:54

I think the retailers might not care. Depends, depends. Yeah, I won't have a GameStop to check, so I don't know.

Mark Trobough: 2:08:02

It's more like the outside of the. My Nintendo is probably going to be the best option, because everything else is going to be online. It's just going to be gobbled up.

Brandon Hurles: 2:08:10

It's going to be. Yeah, it's not going to be fun. That's what I'm worried about. I like really worried about the launch of it, being able to try to get it from launch and stuff. So we'll see what happens.

Mark Trobough: 2:08:22

I guess, yeah, so I guess we'll. We'll see what happens at the end of the day. So obviously, everything is still subject to change, but uh, yeah, I guess we just have to keep an eye out, and this is just the the current stuff that we're tracking right now yeah, for sure uh, on top of that, we also move this over real quick, because I think this just looks a lot better on screen.

Mark Trobough: 2:08:49

Xbox showcase sunday, june 8th, and we're getting a direct for the outer worlds 2 coming, so mark your count. That's that sucks. It's a sunday, because that means we have a whole five days where we could talk about it yeah, it's going like 10 am on a sunday might have to try to try to live stream this. If we're able to cause, it's what's June 8th.

Mark Trobough: 2:09:11

We might be able to, yeah it's Sunday, 10 am Pacific, so it'll be what One or 2 pm your time. Yeah, we might be able to do that That'd be fun.

Brandon Hurles: 2:09:20

It's always fun to stream those uh showcases and directs and stuff like that try to do that.

Mark Trobough: 2:09:34

I don't see why not about that. Yeah, so that's like the uh, yeah, it's.

Brandon Hurles: 2:09:35

Yeah, I mean I was out there, but it should be good stuff because the last direct, like they brought out good stuff and I feel like you know we're probably going to see more about wu chang.

Mark Trobough: 2:09:43

I feel like it's going to be a thing, um yeah, okay, so sorry, because it was quite literally on the screen. The outer worlds 2 is directly. Uh, that's not showing on the screen. It's directly all the right after case yeah. We have the Xbox showcase and then they're going to do more more specific for the outer worlds too. I like the first outer worlds game, so I'm I like to see what they're gonna do for this one.

Brandon Hurles: 2:10:03

Yeah, I liked it too. I thought it was fun.

Mark Trobough: 2:10:11

And then, obviously, because this is about the time period where we're, you know, e3 would have been, so it's pretty much up until, you know, around june 8. That's when the all nintendo news kind of kind of goes away, even though the switch 2 will be out, there'll be a lot more to actually talk about. It just feels like a lot of nintendo because what the mario kart world direct comes out next thursday yeah, yeah next it's like three direct three uh podcasts in a row.

Brandon Hurles: 2:10:32

It's just mainly nintendo, because that's like that's just how it is for console launches. I think you know when, when new consoles launch.

Mark Trobough: 2:10:39

I think it's how it is because you got to know the other industries, kind of know what nintendo's probably doing. They, they, cut, cut like let's just back off and give it some room to breathe.

Brandon Hurles: 2:10:47

Playstation straight out. Put out a poll on X saying are you buying Nintendo Switch 2 or whatever? Let's see if I can pull it up. But PlayStation.

Mark Trobough: 2:10:57

Of course, the majority is going to be no, because you know their PlayStation people are going to fall.

Brandon Hurles: 2:11:01

Let me see if I can pull it up, because I can't remember how long ago it was. Let's see, yeah, it was interesting. They straight up put a thing out about Switch 2, and I was like, oh, that's kind of cool that they did that. I actually think it was positive. From what I remember seeing man, they put out so many tweets. How far back are we going?

Mark Trobough: 2:11:26

Dang, I don't see it Is it crazy that June's right around the corner. I mean technically we're only four months in but, you're like. June's gonna be here before you know it it is kind of crazy.

Brandon Hurles: 2:11:39

I ordered the. I'm crazy because you know I love the controllers. I ordered the Last of Us controllers today. I mean, I knew it was gonna be super limited.

Brandon Hurles: 2:11:50

it was already being scal. It was already being scalped. It was already being scalped on eBay. So I was like it came up on Amazon again. I was like I went ahead and ordered it. I thought it looked pretty cool. I thought it looked pretty cool and I always liked the cool design controllers. So I can't find the pool, but anyway, they put something out somewhere that was talking about the.

Mark Trobough: 2:12:14

uh, I mean I guess the only other before we hit the last thing the only thing that I saw recently was south of midnight came out and it just had abysmal steam numbers.

Mark Trobough: 2:12:22

It only peaked at like 15 1400 people really yeah, it was essentially not not doing all that well, that's like the only other big thing, but it was such a small thing in the news. It's like you're talking about this because nothing else is coming out and sweet baby inc. Had a huge big hand on that game. But it's just kind of like, yeah, we kind of all expected this game to kind of flop like everything else.

Mark Trobough: 2:12:46

Oh my god assassin's creed shadow didn't save Ubisoft, because there are all sorts of issues bringing in Tencent to help them out, which I guess can kind of help roll on the last one, because it doesn't have anything to do with Assassin's Creed or Tencent, but they're in the midst of a lawsuit. So essentially they are shutting down the crew and now there's an ongoing lawsuit because of it. And I feel like this could be a pretty decent case Because essentially, ubisoft's main argument is what they say you don't have unfettered ownership rights. Essentially, you only have a limited license to access the game. You, essentially you don't. You, you're just not going to own your games anymore, which was the big thing that, really, when they came out and said that, that was the turnoff of, like okay, I'm never buying an ubisoft game again and I haven't ever since. But the fact, essentially there's a lawsuit because the idea is are you, are we gonna? We need some closure on the fact that you're just gonna license the game or when you buy the game, do you actually own it?

Mark Trobough: 2:13:51

like this is a discussion that needs to be, you know, resolved like as more people kind of learn about what's actually going on, especially as you head towards the digital like is there? Is there a resolve, a way to resolve this properly, or you're just going to be stuck with the license?

Brandon Hurles: 2:14:07

I mean the, the licensing is a problem. So I saw a meme today actually funny enough that was talking about it was essentially a positive thing towards Steam, weirdly, but they were talking about owning the game. They're like, do you own your game? And I had Steam said no, and then had GOG and said yes, you own your game, and they were like no, and then had gog and said yes, you own your game, and they were like thumbs up for steam or whatever and they were like thumb thumb sideways for for gog, but like that. That's the thing about. That's my problem with steam too is that, like I have a lot more gog games. I told you that, like you know, I I do have.

Mark Trobough: 2:14:49

I am building a little bit, but the problem with the game, like the crew, is it's server-based, so it doesn't really matter yeah so there's two things obviously.

Mark Trobough: 2:14:59

One of the big things is the claimants are uh accused ubisoft. I'm reading this from the article uh at ign uh, the claimants accused ubisoft of violating california's false advertising law, unfair compensation law and Consumer Legal Remedies Act, as well as common law, fraud and breach of warranty claims. Essentially, they're saying that Ubisoft broke California state law around gift cards which are not allowed to expire. This is an actual quote from Ubisoft. Uh, the actual. This is an actual quote from uh, from ubisoft. As they said, uh plaintiffs allege that they purchased physical, physical copies of the crew under the belief that they were obtaining unfettered access to the game in uh perpetuity, sorry.

Mark Trobough: 2:15:44

Plaintiffs also take issue with the fact that ubisoft did not offer to create a offline single-player option of the game, otherwise known as a patch, when it shut down the crew servers in march 2024. Ubisoft's lawyer wrote so the idea this is this kind of coming to the conclusion, especially with like online video games is you know, do you own your game or is this a license? And is there? If you're selling a physical copy of a online game, is that misleading if you weren't saying, hey, this is you don't own this game, this is a license that's a tough one because there's a lot of physical copies of online only games.

Brandon Hurles: 2:16:22

No, but like a lot of physical copies of online games. That you have to are games that you have to be connected to play, that are even single player yeah, ubisoft has obviously fought a motion to dismiss and there's nothing here.

Mark Trobough: 2:16:36

But, like, um, this is one of those things that you know, if it were to move forward, could be, could have like major consequences. If, if, say, this ruling were to go, the fact that you know, if you buy a product, you own it, which means you, these, these companies have to, you know, afford you a way to play this game, even if, like, the server shut down or it completely changes. You know, game development or the whole concept of you don't buy a license, even if it's digital, only like you own that game, which could create a whole host of other issues, potentially, not, not really, it's just they have, they have to have a way for you to re-download a game if you bought it essentially. But like this, this could be probably one of the biggest uh, you know huge uh outcomes. If you, if it goes the way the customer wants it to go, we want to uh with the outcome, at least here in the us.

Mark Trobough: 2:17:27

But even if it was like us, for one, it would, it would affect the the industry globally, because you're not gonna have different standards for the most part. So like this, this, it could get tossed out and it doesn't really matter, or this. This ruling could have like huge uh implication, yeah, with how it affects the industry, and not necessarily single-player games, but but especially online multiplayer games. It's a huge problem. So what if they want to shut it down? Do they then have to offer some kind of offline mode or the ability for you to play this game? They should? You need to use a server.

Brandon Hurles: 2:18:01

Essentially, I mean this is a weird example, but this is just, for instance, like Animal Crossing Pocket Camp. They were shutting the game down. They offered for you to be able to buy the full game on iOS now for $10. You just buy the full game to play offline single-player mode. You don't have to be connected or anything like that. I mean it's a weird example, but they have done stuff like that for games where they end up offering a single-player offline mode when it's like this is doable, plus you, I, because of the timing.

Mark Trobough: 2:18:34

You have to feel like they they saw some of these things going on like let's just not fall into this potential issue. We see certain laws that could put us into a bind and this is not that hard for us to do, so let's just make an offline mode and kind of be done with it potentially.

Brandon Hurles: 2:18:49

Potentially.

Mark Trobough: 2:18:49

Do you think?

Brandon Hurles: 2:18:51

I mean, yeah, I don't know. Mr Coffee said I don't think the gaming industry really thought what is a digital game and who owns it?

Mark Trobough: 2:19:00

I mean it's like hard, it's hard to say on this, like I'm like there's the, there's the, the legalese hidden in the terms of service that nobody reads. Let's be fair.

Speaker 4: 2:19:10

Yeah right, the there's the legalese hidden in the terms of service that nobody reads.

Mark Trobough: 2:19:11

Let's be fair. Nobody's reading the terms and all this stuff. They're just hitting yes and play. But let's be fair Just because you put something in a contract or in terms of service doesn't make it legally binary and it doesn't mean it's going to hold up in court. Just because you signed, just because I went through a class for this, just because you and somebody else wrote a contract and agreed to the contract doesn't mean it's legally binding, doesn't mean it follows laws, doesn't mean it can't be tossed out and so, like in terms of service, where you have to agree before you can play the game?

Mark Trobough: 2:19:38

yeah, doesn't, doesn't, technically it's technically you're, you're agreeing to a, a, a contract. But just because you agree to it doesn't mean it's legally binding. It'll, it will always. It doesn't mean it's legal and it will be held up in court.

Brandon Hurles: 2:19:51

Essentially, that can be.

Mark Trobough: 2:19:52

Yeah, it can be, especially the contradicts like if the, if the, if a this is a fact more than gaming. Like if you sign it. If you and me just had a like a business contract, yeah, we both could agree to it, but it violates federal and state laws here in the us, means the contract's non-void and it would get tossed out it's crazy, I didn't know that yeah just because you sign a contract doesn't offer that terms of service and you agree to it.

Mark Trobough: 2:20:17

I mean, yeah, you agree to it, but doesn't mean it will always hold up in court, the courts. You'll be like no, you can't do this, or this was misleading, or you know you to be fair, you didn't expect people to read this, or this violates these certain laws or statutes. So it doesn't really matter what you agreed to. We said you can't do this.

Brandon Hurles: 2:20:34

Interesting.

Mark Trobough: 2:20:35

Okay, yeah, I mean, it's got major impact, which is why you run into issues like this because 100%, in those terms of service or whatever those things you agreed to, when you play online, it says somewhere buried in there was like you were buying a license of this game, Guaranteed. That was in there somewhere, Like you don't own this game or you're buying a license. But now you're going to court because you know it's misleading. You didn't come out and say that, or is this even legal? Can you even do this based off of these certain laws in the state, which is what you're going to run into?

Brandon Hurles: 2:21:06

So it's you know who knows how this could go you gonna run into, so it's you know, who knows how this could go.

Mark Trobough: 2:21:14

Yeah, I mean I'd be interested to to see what happens. I, I don't know. Yeah, it's one of those things like just because they put it in here doesn't mean it's there, you're gonna win a court case or it's gonna hold up, essentially. So, yeah, yeah I don't know it's. It's a complicated, it's a complicated world it certainly sounds like it.

Brandon Hurles: 2:21:28

Yeah, I mean, I'll be interested to see what happens, because I mean those uh physical copies of um online only. Games are always weird, especially. It's especially weird when it's a single player game like, uh, valhalla, for instance. Think of a ubisoft game that I really enjoyed. You had to be connected to the internet so to play the game, uh, which is unfortunate it's which is completely bs.

Mark Trobough: 2:21:53

But even for just digitally only games like if this, this could have massive ramifications. If, like if, if we were to come out that if you buy something, you own it, even if it's digital media, that means how they approach. You know, certain things has to change. Or, uh, what if it? What if it drops off, say, the steam page can't buy it anymore? Well then, to some degree, steam still has to allow you to to redownload the game even if you don't have it, which means you have, to like, maintain server access and stuff like that.

Mark Trobough: 2:22:21

But yeah this also means uh, or do they make different rulings for digital or physical? There's a whole issue there. Or what happens if, say, like, ubisoft goes under and their ip is just in limbo, how do you access and access digital games and stuff like that? That's a whole host of uh of issues. Like something like pc's a little bit easier because everything goes through, like a third party, like steam, because they have delisted games before, but but if you already bought it, you, they allow you to, to redownload it and stuff like that, but that's something they would have to do. If this becomes a thing where it's like you have, just because it's digital, only you still have to, they still own the game, does that potentially save, say, physical media then, because what they want to do with digital doesn't really go the way they want, because they can't just like cut you out and stuff like that, does that mean they they are more inclined to keep physical copies because this ruling says they have to or because it it makes it easier to navigate?

Mark Trobough: 2:23:16

You know, certain legal rulings and stuff like that, like they, this, this could get tossed out and this is all moot point, or this could move forward and it could have potentially big ramifications on the outcome of of this ruling? Potentially, obviously it's going to get. This will take probably a few years to get resolved If it doesn't get tossed out. They're going to go through the whole legal proceedings. You're going to get a ruling, it's going to get challenged, you're going to have some back and forth and stuff like that.

Mark Trobough: 2:23:40

Yeah, and stuff like that, yeah, certain interpretations and just because you get a court ruling doesn't mean you can't have a law later that negates that or changes how certain things work. It's, it's a big mess and this is. I feel like this is something we're gonna be talking about for a while, but it's, you're probably gonna be a year or two. But if you get like some actual hard, very uh resolution, and even when you get resolution, you're gonna have some x amount of time to comply and it's yeah, this is this is something that's gonna take a while, but it's, it's worth paying attention to. But even if you don't get the ruling that you want doesn't mean you still can't get laws changed in the future that benefit the consumer and stuff like that. So, uh, that's a whole potential can of worms that you could really go down. It's just kind of interesting to to talk about yeah, it is.

Brandon Hurles: 2:24:22

It is for sure. Is it less about dunking on?

Mark Trobough: 2:24:26

ubisoft. They just happen to be involved in this. Uh, more about like this lawsuit itself could could lead to good things for the consumer, or it could just prove that nobody cares about you. Just buy the slop, you will. You'll own nothing and be happy yeah, yeah, it's.

Brandon Hurles: 2:24:43

Uh, it's a crazy mess with ubisoft, and I'll be interested to see what comes of this for sure yeah, I don't know if there's anything else you wanted to hit up. I think we're good.

Mark Trobough: 2:24:54

Got a lot of good stuff, a lot of Nintendo stuff. We didn't go as long this week, only about two and a half hours it went pretty long last week I just got to upload it on audio.

Brandon Hurles: 2:25:04

I was pretty late getting it up.

Mark Trobough: 2:25:06

I mean, I guess the 20 minutes was just the bantering we did for the first half hour or so. Yeah, before we even got into any of the main stuff we wanted to talk about.

Mark Trobough: 2:25:16

Yeah, appreciate everyone supporting the podcast Obviously got to hit us up on all the socials the Facebook, twitch, youtube, kik, instagram, tiktok, twitter, xthreads, all the fun stuff. We're live streaming tomorrow, 8 p pm eastern. If you're not, latei, believe we're playing something different for the first time in like a month. We were supposed to play like, I feel like a month and a half ago. It's the uh uh earth defense force.

Mark Trobough: 2:25:42

Yeah, 3.1 4.1 one of the four point one, yeah, one of those it's earth, the earth defense, where I want to play this. For a while Didn't play before I left. Then we came back and uh uh, monster hunter came out. It was a big game yeah, really good game, and stuff like that. So uh, got a lot of other games we want to play too.

Brandon Hurles: 2:26:04

Still want to go back to that way, yep, so we don't think.

Mark Trobough: 2:26:07

I don't know if I missed anything for you before we head out no, I think we're good.

Brandon Hurles: 2:26:11

I think we're good so I appreciate everybody getting close out here and we appreciate everybody watching, uh, listening, really got some real good.

Mark Trobough: 2:26:19

Uh, I guess next week I'll probably be talking just a half hour mario kart world, because we have a whole direct for that game coming up.

Brandon Hurles: 2:26:25

So uh, I'm excited to talk more about it, though I'm excited to see more about the game, so I think I think other people will be excited too. Um, so a lot we can. We're getting a lot of nintendo viewers in and a lot of people love nintendo, so always good, finally get to know.

Mark Trobough: 2:26:39

All right, we're gonna get to the first real look at is this game worth 70 or not 80, 80 80 yeah, you know all right, thanks everyone.

Brandon Hurles: 2:26:50

we'll see you again next week. If you are listening, please give us a follow on a either Apple podcast, spotify, amazon music, youtube music any of those uh platforms. It definitely helps and we'll see you all later. Have a good one, guys.

Mark Trobough: 2:27:05

Peace out everybody.