Borderlands Movie Woes, Nintendo Switch 2 News, and Batman's Legacy | Game Junction Podcast

Why do video game adaptations sometimes fail to capture the essence of their beloved franchises, and what can be learned from these missteps? Join us as we unpack the disappointment surrounding the Borderlands movie adaptation and explore the broader implications of adapting cherished games for the big screen. We also take a look at a missed opportunity for a Dino Crisis anime, and the humor found in gaming memes, offering our thoughts on the essential role creators and actors play in bringing game stories to life.

Gamers and anime fans alike will find plenty to enjoy as we navigate through an exciting week in the gaming and entertainment world. From the buzz around the PS5 Pro and new Mario and Luigi adventures on Twitch, to the intriguing patent for a PlayStation controller that could revolutionize how we play, there's no shortage of topics to explore. Plus, we reflect on the nostalgic charm of Batman's dark narratives and the portrayal of anti-heroes, along with updates on Gundam Seed and potential remakes of iconic games like Batman Arkham Asylum.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Pokemon TCG Pocket
• 9:50 Disappointment in Borderlands Movie Adaptation
• 16:50 Sony's PlayStation and Forgotten IPs
• 25:41 Gundam Seed & Arkham Asylum Remake
• 30:08 Dark and Gritty Batman Discussion
• 38:15 RPG & Nintendo Switch Game Haul
• 46:18 Debate on PS5 Pro vs PC
• 58:18 Next Gen Gaming Hardware Trends
• 1:02:25 Gaming Hardware Upgrade Strategies
• 1:15:23 Discussion on PS5 Pro Upgrades
• 1:27:36 Mario Luigi Partners in Time Review
• 1:33:13 Switch 2 and Nintendo Movie Updates
• 1:46:42 Nintendo's Patent Lawsuit and Royalties
• 1:52:45 Exploring Acting Career and Godzilla Films

Transcript

Mark Trobough: 0:00

Hey everybody, welcome back to another episode of the Game Junction Podcast, episode 108.

Brandon Hurles: 0:06

Reppin' Mario. Both of us this week, bro, what's?

Mark Trobough: 0:09

up. I wasn't even thinking about it.

Brandon Hurles: 0:11

B Wasn't thinking about it either, but we got some big Mario stuff to talk about, so it actually kind of works out a little bit there, oh, it works out perfectly. Yeah, man, what a week, dude. It's crazy. There's a lot of stuff going on this week.

Mark Trobough: 0:25

Yeah, crazy to think it would be Like oh, it's going to be a slow, quiet week. Nah, man News stops for nobody, nope never.

Brandon Hurles: 0:33

I legitimately thought it was going to be a slow week and like nope, stuff just kept rolling out. So I guess what's some of the stuff that we're talking about this week?

Mark Trobough: 0:42

Yeah, so we got some news Venom about this week. Uh, yeah, so we got some news uh, venom last dance. We got some reviews on those. I think that's uh are these. How'd you?

Brandon Hurles: 0:50

put the this old stuff here that the orange is old. We forgot to delete that brandon's brandon labels.

Mark Trobough: 0:56

I thought that was kind of weird that's my bad, I'm sorry.

Brandon Hurles: 0:59

Okay, make sure I'm reading the right thing. No, we got them.

Mark Trobough: 1:01

I guess some of the proper stuff. We got some ps5 pro. Uh, we got some PS5 Pro releases. No, I'm about to say review Actual releases. Ign kind of gave their thoughts on some stuff. We had Mario and Luigi Brothership just dropped I was actually streaming that over on Twitch last night. Some new news about the Nintendo Switch Obviously, the bunch of leaks seem to be continuing to go on. For the Pokemon stuff, we got some news as far as the Pokemon trading card game goes, some Zelda movie updates, some PAL World news and a whole host of other little bit smaller stuff to definitely talk about.

Mark Trobough: 1:36

Yeah for sure.

Brandon Hurles: 1:38

Actually, since you just brought it up, have you been playing any Pokemon TCG Pocket? I have. I think I'm a Pokemon TCG pocket.

Mark Trobough: 1:44

I have. I think I'm a level 11 right now. I'm probably past you. Yeah, oh you're. You're tracking me. I was intentionally trying to get ahead of you on the levels.

Brandon Hurles: 1:53

I was and I kind of went anybody in my levels. To be honest with you, I don't even know how no, I went all ham Cause.

Mark Trobough: 2:00

Like they give you a bunch of those little timed things to open packs faster. I've used the open 10 at once three times already. I can't fast open packs. Have you spent any money? No, well, the problem is you can't spend money to open packs faster, which I think was a good choice on their end.

Brandon Hurles: 2:19

You could spend money by doing the gold program, where you can open two packs a day. I'm doing it because you get two week trial for it. So I'm just going to do the two week trial. You know what? I want to pull it up right now. It might be time to open up a pack actually.

Mark Trobough: 2:35

Because outside of that, which is a little negligible, you have to do missions and rewards and stuff like that. There's no pick and win. If I can go out right now and buy like as many pokemon cards I could possibly afford financially would be a really bad decision, but I I do like that and then I was mainly going through and just doing a lot of the solo stuff I was trying to do get all the rewards on the solo missions, because they just dropped a what's it?

Mark Trobough: 2:58

a lapras ex one yeah, I saw that it's the last two, two missions on the hardest expert one, which is when 10 matches, when 20 matches. The problem is, oh, the AI's deck is so stacked with. Ex cards and it's just like unless you've got like the best electric Pokemon out there to do the bonus damage, it's almost impossible to hardly get wins unless you just get. You essentially have to get your best cards and your evolutions right out of the gate and play immediately, or your chance to win is just negligible. It's so frustrating.

Brandon Hurles: 3:31

Look at this pool crap ahead of me.

Mark Trobough: 3:34

I'm like halfway through a level 11 or something like that. I was opening a bunch of cards that I could. You know you do every few hours. You can open the.

Brandon Hurles: 3:42

Bro, you don't even have anything showcased on there.

Mark Trobough: 3:49

What am I supposed to look at? You don't have a showcase on there and I showcased everything I was trying to just play the game.

Brandon Hurles: 3:52

I'm sorry that's part of the game, bro, but I think I did get a new icon today though that you can uh it's this week's uh meowth the from the original uh from the original card. I got that today, so that was kind of cool, yeah.

Mark Trobough: 4:04

I actually did my first solo match today.

Brandon Hurles: 4:07

I thought I was going to.

Mark Trobough: 4:10

I was not soloing. In my first actual versus match today, I think I went like three for one or two for two or something like that, and it was the first match that I actually won. We were like a few cards in and I just won because the dude just left and forfeited. Then the second match that I won I don't know what the person was trying to do. I know what he was trying to do. He was trying to level up his Dratini into a Dragonite, but he had it in his open slot and he was just slowly playing it terribly. So I'm just going to keep attacking it until I can take it out. I'm not going to let him get a, get a dragon air or dragonite on me or something like that. Yeah, yeah, and he's just playing terrible. So, like I'm actually playing the game, he's trying to 3d chess it and it obviously wasn't working out it's interesting how they cut the game down from, like you know, like the full game.

Brandon Hurles: 4:56

Obviously they make it more. Uh, you get like a simplified. Yeah, it's very streamlined, very, very streamlined I don't know how different it is.

Mark Trobough: 5:05

I guess the best way to look at this and I might be wrong, because it's been a while because there's an actual app for the actual proper card game itself. It's not too much different from the actual card game itself, even if you have the mobile app for it, where you actually play the full thing, because when you open packs you the full thing, because when you open packs you have the qr code you can download to open packs and that. But it's it definitely streamlines, it introduces you to the concept of how the game works and I it would be a good stepping stone to then actually play in the actual card game, whether that's in person or their other mobile app. Yeah, but then actually you know understand, like what you need to do, because a lot of this time it comes down to just you know if you, if you don't already know, building a good deck matters a lot, and then it's a little bit of RNG with you know getting your good cards, you know first, and stuff like that.

Brandon Hurles: 5:51

I'll be honest, I just kind of raw dog it with. I don't build my decks. I don't know if I can get into it that deep. Well, no, you have the card collecting aspect of it.

Mark Trobough: 6:07

The card battling isn't as fun to me. I like pulling the card. Matches are pretty quick if you don't know how to build a deck just like hey, I want to make an electric deck, auto build with the. You know the best cards and you can go through and tweak a few things. So it simplifies that. But if you're just going through the solo section and just playing the ai just to get the awards, it's not the hardest thing. You get free experience. You're getting you know awards and stuff like that. Yeah, you know, periodically you're gonna get like a card or something like that, or like a I guess the their version of the promo card and stuff like that.

Brandon Hurles: 6:30

That's what I was doing a lot of, just to get you know speaking of this, I mean since we're talking about it, I found this pretty interesting, so somebody basically took it to themselves to find out how this would work. So apparently it would take almost two years to complete just the first Pokemon TCG Pocket Set, unless you spend money.

Mark Trobough: 6:51

So, unless I'm missing something, how exactly should using the money work, unless I'm missing something?

Brandon Hurles: 6:57

So you pay. First of all there's the $10 a month for premium and with the premium you get I forget what the extras are the ex cards, a couple of the ex cards you can only get if you have premium. So you got cards behind the paywall, uh, and then from what I understand uh I mean cause that adds up like that'd be $150 a year You've got cards behind that paywall. So if you want a complete card collection, you have to get premium.

Mark Trobough: 7:29

But not just to have a set of all the Pokemon themselves, if you don't need the multiple versions of different cards and stuff like that.

Brandon Hurles: 7:38

They're different cards, though they're different numbered cards.

Mark Trobough: 7:42

They said if you just want a set that covers all the Pokemon, it's 130 days. You're just 87 with the Premium Pass. But if you want like every variant of every card, it's going to take a lot longer, obviously, just because of the RNG and stuff like that.

Brandon Hurles: 7:56

Yeah, I haven't um. What does adding layer to your card do? I haven't done that yet. I don't know, know, I just play with the get it like I have like a sparkle on, I think I thought that was more outside of the special cards.

Mark Trobough: 8:11

That was more like the like the reverse hollows, what I thought it was.

Brandon Hurles: 8:14

So it just adds it's just, you know you have to like pay type of thing that you collect to be able to do it, and you can do it to individual cards.

Mark Trobough: 8:23

So I don't know. I know I can't remember. Off the top of my head I've been just kind of passively playing it, so there might be a thing here that I'm missing.

Brandon Hurles: 8:34

Yeah, yeah, same. What do we got?

Mark Trobough: 8:38

next, let me pull it up. I was trying to do something else real quick. We got some Death Stranding news. Apparently, we've got that game now on the Xbox Series X and S. That was reported by IGN. No announcement, they just launched it over there. Isn't that weird? It's no longer a PlayStation exclusive.

Brandon Hurles: 8:58

So weird Like a stealth launch over on Xbox. I wonder why.

Mark Trobough: 9:03

Well, I mean, this game is like five years old at this point. It came out I don't know exactly, or just a day over five years ago, november 7th 2019.

Brandon Hurles: 9:13

It's just crazy, because they were so dedicated to this kind of like being a PlayStation-only game.

Mark Trobough: 9:20

Like that's the way they kind of put it out. Five years this game's made all the money it's probably gonna make on playstation it's gonna make any on xbox more than it would if it wasn't yeah, that's true, I mean I mean, to be fair, the amount of money that they poured in it. They didn't care to announce it, so it's like a quick little. You know, we're just gonna like pour it over here.

Brandon Hurles: 9:39

We'll make more money than if we didn't which, speaking of which, since we're talking about Xbox, we'll have our little show and tell, but I just wanted to show this off so for our audio listeners. I'm sorry that you can't see this beautiful thing, but it is literally the most beautiful controller I've ever seen in my entire life. This thing is crazy cool and it's got textured grips on the back and then it has these gold accents to it. You'll see, like the d-pad, there's gold. Yeah, it's see-through and you can I mean you can see everything. It's so cool, I had to get it. So, so cool. I, I love it. And the it has those textured grips on the back that really stick on your hands, so like your hands get sweaty or anything like that feels really really good no, yeah, no, it absolutely looks, looks amazing.

Mark Trobough: 10:30

Sorry, I was trying to try to do a few other things real quick on the hub still, aren't you? No, I was gonna fix, uh fix, a description that I didn't fully fix on ah, once again, that's why people aren't in.

Brandon Hurles: 10:45

So you sick, okay, so we got. Uh, this one is more up your alley. I thought this was funny because uh, whatever, but uh, lionsgate ceo, uh, basically said that nearly everything that could go wrong did go wrong with the borderlands movie yeah, and I, there's I.

Mark Trobough: 11:04

I guess we can bring it up, because I lay um at least down on a little notes. There's another section for it, uh, about take two and their thoughts on this as well. It just happened to be uh kind of the same thing. Um, everything, everything did go wrong. You don't know how to cast and you don't know how to write a script. Like I don't know what to tell you. The movie looks. It just looks bad.

Mark Trobough: 11:26

You already had an outline for a movie to follow. Just follow the games. You can tweak stuff here and there to adapt it, but like you already had an outline to follow, how do you mess it up?

Brandon Hurles: 11:36

It's beyond me. It's one of those ones where, like I like Borderlands but I have absolutely zero desire to watch this film, I but I have absolutely zero desire to watch this film.

Mark Trobough: 11:44

I suffered to watch it when I went there and it was a slugfest to not fall asleep or start playing on my phone. It's kind of what actually happened. Yeah, because it came out and they reported. Lionsgate reported a $163.3 million loss in its quarterly earnings, with revenues of $948.6 million down from $1.01 billion from the same period a year ago. So I mean, the studio as a whole didn't lose a whole lot from year over year, but that's still a lot of money.

Brandon Hurles: 12:15

It's a lot of money. Yeah, it's crazy.

Mark Trobough: 12:18

But in the same breath the Take-Two Interactive CEO says oh no, the movie was well. They said it was disappointing. They said A, we sold more catalog as like yeah, sure, maybe a little bit. You would have sold more if this movie wasn't absolute garbage. How many people saw this movie thought it was absolute dog crap or had zero desire to play the games after that? If this movie was actually good, it would have driven far more people to this game.

Brandon Hurles: 12:51

I. If this movie was actually good, it would have driven far more people to this game. Uh, I just I hope this is a movie frustrating.

Mark Trobough: 12:54

I hope the tiny tina movie rumors are not true because I think that would be the dumbest thing they could ever do. Oh yeah, but this is one of those things. All they would either going to knock it out of the park with adaptations, or it's something like this and dragon ball evolution it's just the worst thing you've ever seen. It's like did you not watch or play this?

Brandon Hurles: 13:07

I mean, yeah, what's going on Do you know anything about? Here's the thing People that don't know anything about a particular series, especially with a diehard fan base, they shouldn't have zero involvement with the direction of the movie because they don't get it. It should be a requirement that these not even just not even just the people creating the movie I I mean for, like the actors and actresses it should be a requirement that you play and sit down through some of the games in a series, just so you get the characters. I it's like studying for the film, you know. I mean, that's what it is. It's giving respect to the characters that so many people love.

Mark Trobough: 13:53

But no, they're just like oh yeah, we've totally played the game. I'm like, no, you haven't.

Brandon Hurles: 13:57

Or you wouldn't have put this crap together. You haven't played anything.

Mark Trobough: 14:02

You have no idea how the creatures work. I can't remember the name of the creatures they had. Were they the one scene where they're driving the bus through their creature? I think it was in one of the trailers and just like that's kind of like the games not really, but like it's close. It was more like a hey see, remember this thing from the game it's here and gone in 30 seconds was the creature that sounded like this no, it was like the war, it was.

Mark Trobough: 14:26

I can't remember the creatures, the worm, uh, worm like creature or something like that oh, so it was more like, not even close okay, all right, I tried but yeah, I don't know, they come out and they can claim whatever they want, but it's like oh no, it sounds like PR speak to me, they're defending themselves yeah, without actually posting like how much money that the games they can prove drove back to the games that weren't already fans of, the games that have been out for like a decade.

Mark Trobough: 14:59

At this point I'm like how much more money can you really make? Yeah, I know but no, we had some other information about the. What information about the creator of the Devil May Cry? Originally he apparently wanted to do a Dino Crisis anime. I don't even know anything about Dino Crisis.

Brandon Hurles: 15:18

Well, you commented on the meme that I posted. It's a meme.

Mark Trobough: 15:22

It doesn't mean I haven't played the game. It's a funny meme. It's Resident Evil with dinosaurs.

Brandon Hurles: 15:24

It's a meme. It doesn't mean I haven't played the game. It's a funny meme. It's Resident Evil with dinosaurs. It's a survival game.

Mark Trobough: 15:29

No, I'm familiar with the game, I've just never played it.

Brandon Hurles: 15:32

They're really good. I would have much rather seen this personally, because it's such a wacky series. It's got no other mediums for it, so it makes sense. Devil may cry has gotten other stuff before. It's had other anime before, manga and everything you can think of tabletop games. Uh, dino crisis hasn't had crap, so that would have been cool to see yeah, because he came out and said uh, uh.

Mark Trobough: 16:05

When I first went to capcom in 2017, my mission was clear I wanted to bring dino crisis back but in an awesome twist of fate, they sold me devil may cry instead. I didn't think devil may cry would even be on the table. So I mean, obviously it seems like the uh, the creator was, was, you know, content to work on devil may cry, but had had aspirations of another title that I'm sure a lot of people would have loved the scene as well yeah, it's got a die-hard fan base for sure yeah, it was the uh the.

Mark Trobough: 16:33

The creators, the. The creator was a oddy uh shankar, if I didn't. Oh okay nice nice nice no, but I guess we got some other. Uh, sony apparently patented a playstation controller. Uh, apparently in um homage to the rewind button of, I believe, the movie rewind I'm not mistaken click click. Oh, okay, yeah, I don't know why. I think it rewind Click the movie I haven't seen in like 15 years.

Brandon Hurles: 17:07

What would they need? A rewind button for?

Mark Trobough: 17:11

That doesn't actually rewind time. That was the whole gimmick of the movie.

Brandon Hurles: 17:16

No, I meant PlayStation.

Mark Trobough: 17:17

Oh, I think it's just probably designed like that, more as a PR stunt. Maybe they're just trying to sell some clicks Little clickers, you know Like a TV remote for the PlayStation.

Brandon Hurles: 17:31

They already sell those.

Mark Trobough: 17:34

I have one. It's the future, Brandon.

Brandon Hurles: 17:38

I don't know what you're talking about right now.

Mark Trobough: 17:41

It's funny but stupid. We'll ultimately see if anything comes. Yeah, it was just a patent that they, that they created, so, who knows, they might just make one. Maybe there's another click movie coming out they're trying to like oh yeah, yeah, up with, or something like that. Maybe maybe, right, no, we also got some news from a Sega about the new Virtua fighter in development. Uh, I guess the fighting game's your your neck of the wood yeah, I mean this is good to see.

Brandon Hurles: 18:16

We haven't gotten one in a while, so kind of surprising. I don't know how long it's been since 5. So Ultimate Showdown for Virtua Fighter 5 came out in 2021, but I think Virtua Fighter 5 first came out in 2005 or 2006.

Mark Trobough: 18:42

But then that whatever version came out in 2021 of it Ultimate Showdown.

Brandon Hurles: 18:47

Yeah, Virtua.

Mark Trobough: 18:47

Fighter 5 came out in 2006. So the PSdown, yeah. Virtual fighter 5 came out in 2006.

Brandon Hurles: 18:50

Yes, so like the ps3 and the xbox 360 were a thing, yeah, and the ultimate showdown, really all it. All it really did was add in more characters, more stages. Uh, it wasn't really like a new game. It had some additional. I guess story beats to it, but you know, so you can beat the story in an hour, yeah because didn't?

Mark Trobough: 19:10

didn't you hear something where I don't know? It was on twitter, or maybe a one of their heads came out, said something where it's like uh, sony or playstation just doesn't have that big of a library. I saw a meme and the people talking about oh, you mean this library of games you've just forgotten about yeah, I mean, that means accurate too, like they.

Brandon Hurles: 19:27

Where's jack and daxter? Where's you know ratchet and clank? Where's you know all these iconic characters? Was a wrap of the wrappers? No spires, not theirs, or crash, but they. But they were known for being playstation at the time. Yeah, um, but no, they've got, they've got a lot of properties that people forget about and they just don't touch them. Sucks, you know, I hate. I hate seeing that you know so many properties that playstation has. It just hasn't gotten any love.

Mark Trobough: 20:00

So yeah, I was trying to pull up so I can find a list of games they've forgotten about. Um, yeah, so like a list, that's uh, somewhat of a list was like, uh, gravity rush is, you know, not a super old one, but you had like dark cloud, twisted metal, motor storm, what's it? Ridge racer siren, infamous, so calm. Sly cooper, legacy of kane kill zone, ape escape, yeah, ape escapes one that we Sly Cooper Legacy of Kain Killzone, ape Escape.

Brandon Hurles: 20:28

Yeah, ape Escape's one that we haven't gotten one since the PSP. That's been a while. Yeah, it's been a while.

Mark Trobough: 20:35

And I'm sure you can go back even further if you go back to the original PlayStation and the PlayStation 2.

Brandon Hurles: 20:40

Yeah, because they even had, like, we never got another sequel to the Legend of Dragoon, which was a PS1 exclusive JRPG. Yeah, there's a lot that we haven't gotten you know, any new games from in a while.

Mark Trobough: 20:56

so yeah, bad bad, sony, bad boys.

Brandon Hurles: 21:02

What you gonna do. What you gonna do, there's a little more news about sony.

Mark Trobough: 21:06

Uh, you know, sony's making more money off of what they're calling a, a weak movie showing yeah, the unique way to title this, msn so they lost money in the movie department, but they gained money in the video in the video game department.

Brandon Hurles: 21:25

So they came out positive, which is good. Don't forget they probably made that money off of just cutting staff. Probably it says the game sector annual profit outlook went to 35 billion yen from 320 billion yen, leading to a slight upward revision of group annual revenue forecast to 12.71 trillion yen, which I don't know what that equates to.

Mark Trobough: 21:56

but all they gave us in the article is one dollar's equivalent to 152.8, so I'm not I'm not doing that math right now, when you're talking about the trillions of yen.

Brandon Hurles: 22:07

No thanks it's.

Mark Trobough: 22:09

It's a lot of money regardless.

Brandon Hurles: 22:11

Yeah, it's a lot but I mean they're still in the positive, so losing money in the movie department isn't hurting them too much. So no, but I mean I feel like uh, tell me if I'm wrong, but like, but PlayStation seems to be the main branch for Sony now, because obviously they make TVs, they still make 4K Blu-ray players, they still make a lot of electronics and they also have Sony Music. So they've got their own music and own music. And what else does Sony owns? Sony owns so much stuff.

Mark Trobough: 22:47

But it feels like.

Brandon Hurles: 22:48

PlayStation is their biggest cash revenue at this point.

Mark Trobough: 22:54

Yeah, yeah, I mean it is. But I think then again you look at some other movies and I'm like, how are you not making money on some of these? Or when you did have some of these IPs that are now part of, like marvel and stuff like that, like how do you butcher some, some good ips? But I don't know, that might then disney's disney's doing the same thing.

Brandon Hurles: 23:14

so yeah, so, uh, looks like we got. You can get a quackley and terpegos promo promo card free with TCG order of $15 or more at Pokemon Center with the code QuacksleyCardsRUS or QuacksleyCardUS.

Mark Trobough: 23:32

So, essentially, if you're already in the market for Pokemon cards and you want essentially exclusive cards with the Pokemon Horizons logo on them and you're going to spend $15 which you probably already are on anything more than like a pack, hey, you check out and and get two free little cards.

Brandon Hurles: 23:47

I am a fan of Pokemon Horizons. It takes me back to Gen 1 Pokemon. It feels like that all over again.

Mark Trobough: 23:56

Nah man, Gen 1's the best Gen. I didn't say it wasn't the best Gen.

Brandon Hurles: 24:01

It gives me the feelings of that again, and I've had that feeling for a long time with the Pokemon anime.

Mark Trobough: 24:08

I haven't watched the Pokemon anime in forever. I think I've tried to like a year or so ago, and I just couldn't get back into it.

Brandon Hurles: 24:15

So you're not a real fan.

Mark Trobough: 24:16

I'm no longer like the target demographic for those games.

Brandon Hurles: 24:19

Who's the target demographic then, like 12 year olds? Then why are you trying to do a living Dex?

Mark Trobough: 24:28

The games are different from the show. I'm sorry, there's like a difference, it's like a disconnect, apparently.

Brandon Hurles: 24:33

Oh my god, I think it's for everybody, mark, not just kids.

Mark Trobough: 24:39

I mean, if you say so, I said so.

Brandon Hurles: 24:44

That's how I feel about it. We got some garbage news about Gundam. It looks like Gundam Seed Freedom new prequel anime has been announced.

Mark Trobough: 24:56

Yeah, and then? If you're aware, you're watching this or after the fact I technically. On the Junction Network there's a video that just went live about this. It's not super in-depth because we don't know a whole lot about it. It was just kind of like a good little mid little plug-in.

Brandon Hurles: 25:10

I want to be excited about this, but the movie poster there's too much going on with the Gundam. They look like aliens.

Mark Trobough: 25:16

It's just the Gundams.

Brandon Hurles: 25:18

You watch it for the Gundams. It doesn't look like the classic Gundam I love, though it looks like Gundam mixed with an alien All of them. So you've never watched Gundam Seed, then I have watched Gundam Seed, but this looks different. Well, because this is for the freedom. This is a prequel technically, I get that.

Mark Trobough: 25:37

For those that can't see it online, it's just one of the logos for the most Gundam Seed freedom. But the special edition that they're currently airing in Japan through the 14th of November of 2024, which, essentially, they came out and said, hey, they're doing a special edition because apparently they were, there are certain things they couldn't do. There was a timetable they had to meet and they didn't have a lot of time. So I don't, I can't remember I don't have a pull up whether or not they were just wanted to add more fidelity or there are certain scenes they wanted to add to the special edition or like a mixture of both.

Mark Trobough: 26:07

So it's like almost a year from when this originally came out in Japan, because I think the movie came out in like January or February of this year, back in the back last winter essentially, and it just got like a proper English dub and released in the US back in the fall. But they were just doing this. But at the same time that this special edition for the Freedom movie came out, they also announced a movie called the Gundam Seed Freedom Zero, which is supposed to be a prequel to this movie, which apparently they had also come out and the only other detail that we know is that the script for this movie had been completed apparently like 20 years ago, jesus, right around the time that that uh seed destiny was done but if you're not familiar with what happened, see destiny.

Mark Trobough: 26:51

The second half of that show is kind of a mess. But if you don't know why it was kind of a mess, there was a lot of internal problems behind the scenes with some of the creators and stuff like that. That caused a lot of problems. That essentially caused the second half of Destiny to kind of fall apart and the series just come to a screeching halt. Because Gundam Seed was like hugely popular in Japan in the early, early 2000s when it first came out well, I made sure it took 20 years to get follow-up, but apparently they did.

Mark Trobough: 27:18

This other movie is like okay, we're gonna do this new movie and now we're gonna do a little prequel that ideally would, I assume, link something. I don't know exactly what they plan on doing with this prequel movie that we don't kind of already have an idea what happened in this two-year gap or so between Destiny and Freedom.

Brandon Hurles: 27:38

That's pretty cool. I made you your own custom Gundam. I sent it to you on Messenger, by the way. Okay, I appreciate that it's called the Mark.

Mark Trobough: 27:47

MKZ1. No, yeah, but this news came out on the 1st of November when they were first doing this thing. This is less about the Game Junction, more just to kind of plug. Hey, we got more content and another video over on the Junction Network YouTube, so definitely go check it out.

Brandon Hurles: 28:01

Hell yeah, brother, finally get more content on that channel. So let's go, I'm all for it but no, we also.

Mark Trobough: 28:10

This came out earlier today. Some news about Rocksteady and Warner Brothers are this is rumored to be in remaking Batman Arkham Asylum. You know, after their whole debacle with Suicide Squad, thank god they need to go back to that after their whole debacle with Suicide Squad.

Brandon Hurles: 28:24

Thank God they need to go back to that.

Mark Trobough: 28:28

I would be more nervous because I'm like after that you've got the chance to butcher this game. Would I be afraid of it?

Brandon Hurles: 28:34

Well, here's why I'm not afraid of it. The new Arkham VR game has gotten nothing but raved reviews. People love it, they say it feels exactly like an Arkham game in VR. They're saying it has the feel of an arkham game and so it's made by that team, and so it kind of gives me faith that, hey, they still know how to make that game that we all love. You know, besides origin, of course, yeah, which wasn't even made by that team, but you know so.

Mark Trobough: 29:08

But I mean at this point they have to make it, because if they don't, it's just going to drive more people away. Like why would I continue to come back if you can't even make this remake? This pretty much seems like they have to get this remake, slash remaster, like right, yeah, they do, They'll just lose everything.

Brandon Hurles: 29:21

They have to, for sure.

Mark Trobough: 29:22

Yeah, I just lose everything they have to for sure, yeah, I mean, are you, are you excited to replay this game? When did that game come out? Which one it was? This is it talking Arkham Knight? Arkham Asylum? No, arkham Asylum, my bad, when did that game come out?

Brandon Hurles: 29:38

2012?

Mark Trobough: 29:42

I'm guessing because you said I was was trying to search it up as well. No, arkham Asylum 2009. 2009. Oh wow.

Brandon Hurles: 29:52

Okay, so it must have been. Arkham Night that came out in 2012 then, or it could have been Origin, I don't know. One of them came out in 2012.

Mark Trobough: 30:02

Because that was around the time that the Dark Knight Rises trilogy was coming out, right, don't know. One of them came out in 2012 because that was around the time that the uh, like the dark knight rises and those that trilogy yeah, it was coming out, right. Yeah, like the dark, dark batman movies were like I love them.

Brandon Hurles: 30:12

I wish we would go back to, but yeah I mean, those games were dark and gritty those games were dark too.

Mark Trobough: 30:20

They were dark and gritty I think they had to to match with the movies, and that's why they did so well they did very well.

Brandon Hurles: 30:25

Man, I really, really. I want a meta quest 3 so I can play that. It's a system seller. I want to play that game so bad. I love batman arkham. I really do and I really want to play that game. So I'm heavily considering getting a meta quest 3. It's on the list I'm trying to debate because I need to get a uh, elgato stream deck first, more important, but like I want to play a game, so oh, do you think they've?

Mark Trobough: 30:51

they've in both the movies and in the games. You think they've made the mistake of going towards the. This villain is anti-hero too much than what it used to be, which was kind of a clear these are the good guys, these are the bad guys. There was no kind of there's very little gray a lot of the time I don't know. That's a hard question to answer for me, because I I feel like it's good both ways but it feels like they've gone more towards the, the, the villainous anti-hero, than the standard at times.

Brandon Hurles: 31:17

I think the anti-hero is kind of the you know, because I mean, it's always been a popular thing. Think of godzilla. We got to bring up godzilla at least once, plus we're going to bring up again later anyway. But godzilla, you know, at first was a menace but then became like an anti-hero. Right, he came to save the day and they were calling upon godzilla bringing him out to fight this monster that was destroying tokyo but that's also a different medium.

Mark Trobough: 31:46

This used to be calm, like you're talking about decades of comics the punisher, the punisher anti-hero for sure. Handful of venom. It's different when it's like you're just like a of the vigilante type here, then then there's a villain turn, turn, good or turn it's like I don't know a little bit of great man is.

Brandon Hurles: 32:03

He doesn't kill.

Mark Trobough: 32:04

He won't kill so it's like, which always comes back to bite him in the ass yeah, it always does.

Brandon Hurles: 32:10

And like we talk about how dark and gritty this stuff is, but like he doesn't kill people, while superman has killed people and he's the one that you, you know it's it.

Mark Trobough: 32:23

You know you bring that up and it reminds me I think it was like a robot chicken skit where it's like I was like I won't kill you, but he like beats the villain to death would just paralyze for life, but I didn't kill him, I remember that I love the action figure, the segments when they did that stuff hilarious I feel like it's like at times like you just like ruin this person's life, they're gonna be in prison the rest of their life and they're paralyzed because you beat the crap out of them Somehow.

Brandon Hurles: 32:46

they always get out of Arkham as well. I like the dark and grittiness of Batman.

Mark Trobough: 32:49

I think it fits him far better than any other setting.

Brandon Hurles: 32:52

I'm hearing that the show the Penguin is really really, really good, so I want to watch it. I've heard nothing but great things. I want to check it out for sure, cause he's like, if you think back, he's the one to like the real iconic villains for. For Batman outside of, like Joker, like you think about the nineties animated series, penguin was so attached to that series. He was one of the main villains and the comics the Penguin was, like you know, one of the main villains as well. So I'd be like curious to see the how they take the direction of that series with the Penguin.

Mark Trobough: 33:30

Yeah, it's interesting. I can't get as bad or as cheesy as what the 80s and 90s gave us.

Brandon Hurles: 33:36

No, it's supposed to be very serious. It's a very serious show.

Mark Trobough: 33:41

I've got one question for you, brandon the long nose, what killed the dinosaurs? What the Ice Surge? I was about to say something really bad terrible impression, but that joke always cracks me up cheesy and bad and funny at the same time.

Brandon Hurles: 34:03

I gotta say Batman and Robin is so bad. It's a good movie for me, oh, 100%. I had the action figures for that movie and everything growing up. I got the Happy Meal toys, is it?

Mark Trobough: 34:14

the era where Arnold Schwarzenegger figures for that movie and everything growing up I got the Happy Meal toys. Isn't the era where Arnold Schwarzenegger between his peak movie and he took him in the Governor of California where he just did really cheesy roles? That just did not fit me.

Brandon Hurles: 34:22

He took every role that he could get. I mean, did you ever watch the movie Twins? No, I didn't.

Mark Trobough: 34:27

Or did you?

Brandon Hurles: 34:28

ever watch the movie Junior, where he becomes pregnant. He's the first man to become pregnant he became nicholas cage.

Mark Trobough: 34:37

Before nicholas cage was a thing like he was like every role he could give me yeah, I mean the twins is horrible, juniors horrible.

Brandon Hurles: 34:46

I mean, look, you think of jingle all the way, which I love, uh, but that's like a non you know big bad guy type role, you know what I mean. So like he did comedies and he did you know stuff like that. So, uh, this one I don't, I don't know anything about, so I'm going to lean over to you, but it looks like, uh, more sweet baby ink. Uh, information has came out.

Mark Trobough: 35:10

Yeah, I've been more feel like we were talking about it, but there's always some news came out, but this was outside of all the criticism they've gotten. It pretty much says you know, they're not going to change, they're going to keep doing the same thing they were doing and stuff like that, which just means that any game that moves forward and they're just coming out and saying, no, we're going to keep doing what we're doing. So any game that's attached to them is going to be blasted out publicly and the more people become aware of it it's going to hurt bottom lines for games. But these studios keep hiring these consulting studios, knowing well that people are going to find out about it, and just blast it all over the internet to try to get games to fail For better or for worse. A lot of games they've worked on are bad.

Brandon Hurles: 35:51

I held myself from buying Dragon Age the Veilguard because I actually wanted to get it. I almost bought the collector's edition of it. When I went to go get the PS5 Pro, I almost bought the collector's edition. But I'm like I got to stand behind my morals on this because the stuff they did with that game as good of reviews as it's getting and my actual friends telling me it's good, I just can't do it. I'm sorry. I've heard mixed things. I've heard mixed things too. I've heard some people say it's a slow game. It takes a long time to start, which Dragon Age always does.

Mark Trobough: 36:26

But I've heard good things most of the time but that's the problem even if I see a review to it it's either you recommend it or you don't, so it's either a 10 or a 0 in the numerical and how they rate it. I've seen a lot of people recommend it, but there's like a 6 or a 7 out of 10. I mean that's good to me. I like to play 7s, yeah, but they say the dialogue is bad at times well, so is Mario and Luigi brothership you expect that from a game like that, but like a game like this, it's like oh no, the game gets better.

Mark Trobough: 36:57

You just have to get, you know, 20 hours in.

Brandon Hurles: 36:59

I'm like, I'm not putting 20 hours of a slug to just get to the good that's that's the problem, right, like I don't have that type of time where it's like invest 20 hours before the game gets good, like I just I don't care anymore.

Mark Trobough: 37:11

Sk, I don't care if it's skippable, the scene that's blasted out, where it's like oh, I missed you. Do you want me to do some push-ups? It's just the fact that that exists in the game at all is just absolute nonsense to me. On morals alone, I won't buy a game because I just think it's not necessary. Yeah, no.

Brandon Hurles: 37:32

I get it. I was grabbing one other thing for my pickup. So I figure we get and break up the news real quick, show our pickups and uh then get switch back over the news to kind of break up the show. Do we have any comments ahead or anything that we should uh address?

Mark Trobough: 37:47

no, nothing so far over on twitch. So okay, let me check to make sure.

Brandon Hurles: 37:51

Oh, I apologize, mr coffee. And uh, ethereal sapphire looks like we had a load of comments that I missed and I I do apologize, I was not paying attention. Uh, if you want a good read, look up wizard magazine. They have a section called amigo theater and that was the inspiration for Robot Chicken. I still have a ton of Wizard Magazine issues. I think Dino had an identity problem. They wanted it to be different from Resident Evil. That's why every Dreamcast game that came out kept changing its gameplay more and more. Yeah, I kind of agree with that. Ethereal said I would be happy if Jack came back, but it's changed this idea of the anti hero. If you want, I might be miss.

Mark Trobough: 38:40

I think we had a bunch of conversations, so uh, yeah, well, we're talking about, uh, batman and stuff like that yeah, it looks like um.

Brandon Hurles: 38:49

the movie that hurt his career was last action hero. Yeah, horrible, horrible Schwarzenegger movie. So bad, so bad. It's not good at all. Hey, what's up? Junction Network How's it going? So, all right, we're going to break up our.

Mark Trobough: 39:03

I was doing a quick little shout-out in the YouTube chat but I forgot I was still logged in from yeah you should be logged in what's going on?

Brandon Hurles: 39:08

I should be logged in on mine too but, uh go ahead and show us what you got first there, mark and I'll get this.

Mark Trobough: 39:15

It's only really the one thing that I picked up this week. Actually, technically, I was supposed to have the ethernet adapter for the switch, but it got delayed. So next time we're actually playing switch games online, I will stop disconnecting ugh when we're playing Mario Party or something like that. But it was two things, and I also streamed this yesterday on Twitch and then I'll probably at least one or two more times. I don't know if I'm going to complete it on stream, but I'll play it a few more times at the very least. The Mario and Luigi Brothership, which I don't think is a terribly bad game, at least early on, I think the dialogue, at least for on stream that I was doing it. It's a little long, like if I wasn't playing it on stream, a hundred percent would just skip the dialogue, cause I don't think it's super important. Well see, I would.

Brandon Hurles: 40:00

I would say don't skip the dialogue and a Mario and Luigi games, because they actually have a full ongoing story that actually matters.

Mark Trobough: 40:05

It felt bad at times. Plus, I started to learn early on Don't just talk to everybody you meet, cause it's just it's kind of pointless. They have stuff to say but it doesn't really add a whole lot unless you're super into the world building. But that's like a personal opinion, I know I was going to say also I didn't pre-order it but my GameStop also gave me essentially the pre-order keychains.

Brandon Hurles: 40:24

I also didn't pre-order it, they gave me it. So, yeah, I picked it up as well and while mark was streaming, I played a little bit of it. He got way further than I did. Um, I didn't get far into it at all, but I could speak on already, the dialogue just being too heavy. If they just just dialed it down a notch on the amount of dialogue, I think it would have made the game go up. Another star for me, another rating, but but for me, as far as I've gotten in the game, I'm giving it a solid 8. It's not an amazing game, but it's a good game. It's a fun good RPG.

Mark Trobough: 41:00

Yeah, I'd say like a 7.5 to an 8 is what I would give it. It's a good RPG.

Brandon Hurles: 41:04

I mean all the Mario and Luigi games. There's none of them I dislike. I will say this is so far my least favorite in the series. There's a lot of them, but I still think it's great. I mean, it doesn't mean it's bad. Just because I say something's my least favorite doesn't mean I dislike it because I don't and I want to, I want to see this game all the way through. I'm uh, I'm pretty excited about and I think that uh, connie's a pretty cool, neat new character in the series. Uh, weird, with the like spark plugs coming out of her hat. Like it's interesting how the whole whole thing electricity thing they went.

Brandon Hurles: 41:38

Yeah, names and stuff then there's also snoutlet, which is like a pig um and he said he's not a pig.

Brandon Hurles: 41:45

Don't call him a pig. Yeah, it's like a pig bird hybrid. Um, one thing I didn't like about this one, though that the other mario and luigi's didn't do as much. Hey, what's up? We got a bunch of people dropping in now.

Brandon Hurles: 41:58

Um, luigi just seems like he just follows mario and is kind of useless, because in the other games, what's so cool about some of the other mario and luigi games is that they actually they don't stay together the whole time. So, like part of the story, you'll start you'll play as Mario, and then it switches over to the scene with Luigi and then like switches back, and then you'll end up meeting back again with each other and then like partners in time deals with baby Mario and baby Luigi as well as Luigi and Mario. So you have to, like you play as all four characters. And then Bowser's Inside Story is a whole unique thing too, where you're literally inside Bowser. You get separated again, so there might be more that happens that we don't know yet. Apparently, this is a 15-hour game, so you're getting a pretty good chunk of change for an RPG of this caliber. So definitely happy and excited about that. Uh, do you have anything else to show before I go through mine?

Mark Trobough: 42:58

no, that was I. Like I said, it was the ethernet adapter that I kind of ordered. That's not really something to show off, but it was just kind of delayed you mean that's a cool collection piece.

Brandon Hurles: 43:06

I'm going to get one well, I'm actually.

Mark Trobough: 43:07

It's not collected, I'm actually going to use it, so I know I'm not, but you know.

Brandon Hurles: 43:12

So I also got one, one I'm probably the most excited about, but haven't opened yet because I'm already playing other rpgs. I just cannot add in a fifth rpg I'm playing at once. I just can't do it with a game like this, where I really want to have my attention and focus on it. I love the Ys games. They are among my favorite RPGs ever in my top three easily. So Ys X Nordics was an instant sell for me. I can't wait. So I've already played the game. I'm already four hours in.

Brandon Hurles: 43:47

Here's the problem, though this got sent out to me by NIS America. I didn't buy this. That's why it's not open yet. I played the demo, which is six hours long on the Switch, so I made it the four hours in, and I would have to restart to actually play the full game on a different system. So, yeah, that's actually pretty dope. No, it's not dope, kind of sucks. I put all that time into the Switch because I thought, when I was going to buy it, I would get the switch version. But I, before I could even buy it, this came in the mail and I'm like, oh, that's awesome, but now I gotta start over again.

Brandon Hurles: 44:23

So, yeah, I also picked up a game I have been eyeballing since the day it released and I've been waiting to find it for a good price. I I love the series, so I'm really excited about it. That would be Naruto, baruto, ultimate Ninja Storms Connections. So I've been waiting to find a good price on this. It was a $60 game for a long time. I wanted to get it since it came out. One of the cool things that was sold me on this is there's over 130 ninjas available in the game, which is crazy. So you've got all of the naruto, you got all of baruto. So it's kind of like it kind of reminds me of dragon ball sparking zero, where you've got characters from dragon ball z, gt, super and daima all all in one. So this is the same deal you're getting, you know, from both series. You're getting naruto shipping in and you're getting baruto characters. So I'm really excited to check this out, and this is one I'm. I specifically bought this for me and mark to stream, so I'm hoping he could try to find it maybe at the same price or something. At game stop it was 27.99 and then I actually had a five dollar coupon, so I ended up paying basically like $20 for it, which is a really good deal, if you ask me. I've been waiting to find it for a good deal, so this is a rainy day stream game, so hopefully we get to stream that soon.

Brandon Hurles: 45:42

Another game I've been eyeballing for a long time is the Samurai Shodown Remake. It's finally got marked down to $15, so I went and grabbed it. I've been waiting. It's been sitting at like $40 for months and months and months. It's an SNK title Neo Geo. I love SNK. None of their fighters ever let me down. I just truly love their game. So I'm really excited to dive into this. I'm interested to see how a Samurai Shodown remake is. So for our audio listeners, head on over to the video to check out and actually get to see what I'm showing off here. Need to clean up that box. Yeah, that was me trying to peel the sticker off earlier and it didn't come off.

Mark Trobough: 46:23

I'm one of those people that I stop it and I'm like I'll deal with this later.

Brandon Hurles: 46:28

What I do? I just take Goo Gone to it and it comes right off. What I do? I just take Goo Gone to it and it comes right off.

Mark Trobough: 46:32

But until that happens I don't keep any of that at home. I just I'd rather have the price tag on there than just be like a ripped sticker stuff. But at least my GameStop's pretty good, at least when they put it on there, because they pre-fold on the tabs so it's easy to kind of start the peeling process Not damaging the actual plastic too much.

Brandon Hurles: 46:48

And the big boy for this week.

Mark Trobough: 46:51

We got someone that's bougie right here.

Brandon Hurles: 46:57

Got the PS5 Pro. What I'm not showing off is the separate stand I had to buy and the separate disc drive I had to buy. So you're $700 deep on just this and you gotta buy the disc drive for $80 and the stand for like $30. Unfortunately, I can't show you the system. I'm not even going to dare move it. I'm scared to do anything with it, like I just. I just I don't know, I don't want nothing to happen to it. Uh, I have not gotten to spend a ton of time with it yet.

Brandon Hurles: 47:27

I threw in two games that were ps5 pro enhanced and they looked freaking, phenomenal. And then I went and threw in a PS4 game because with the PSSR, something they didn't really advertise. I don't know why they didn't really put this out there they should have. But PSSR will take your PS4 games and essentially not just upscale them but make them look better, almost like a different game. So I threw in what was it I had out earlier. Uh, oh, doom. I put doom in and it was checking it out and I was like, oh my god, like runs, really, really well, it looks good. Visually. You can see where, like there's, the pssr is kicking in. I was like holy crap like this. You have to see it in person. You can that. You just can't see it over a video. You can't. What is it, is it?

Mark Trobough: 48:21

worth the 800 upgrade if you already have one if you already have one.

Brandon Hurles: 48:25

No um no, I would say that point it's not. It's not 800, it's 700. I'm just saying, if you want the disc drive, it's over 800.

Brandon Hurles: 48:35

If you want the disc drive, uh and then, and then you got tax and uh, all of that, would I say for the diehard that already has one, yes, I would say yes, uh. But what this is really, I feel, targeted for, are the enthusiasts that have the very high-end tvs, like the lg c4, uh, oled tv or uh, who already have an 8k tv, um, and you know, actually can you take advantage of this. Or you've got a monitor that's 360 hertz and you know, really takes advantage of this, um I still think you're better off just getting a PC at that point.

Brandon Hurles: 49:14

if you want high-end gaming, Well I don't know if I agree with that entirely, because you want high-end.

Mark Trobough: 49:22

I mean, just for my Intel i9 14th Gen it was $500, mark, that's just for the CPU, but you get better performance across the board with a $1,500.

Brandon Hurles: 49:33

PC, but by the time you go and buy, it would be comparable with this.

Mark Trobough: 49:37

You can do more with a PC than just play games. You have the ability to mod and do other things and stuff. They're not stuck with just a box, no.

Brandon Hurles: 49:42

I get it, I'm not. I like PC. I plan on upgrading my graphics card from a 4070 to probably a 40 90. Uh, I like pc, but I think that it just it costs too much to get the entry point for pc is so expensive man but at this point with a $700 price tag it's not much right?

Brandon Hurles: 50:05

this would equate to basically like a 40 80. So price out you. You can look it up if you want. Price out a 4080 right now and then count in the $500 CPU. You know, i9 14th gen just there.

Mark Trobough: 50:20

If that's the equivalent of a 4080 and they're selling it for $700, they're losing a lot of money. It's around that point because of PSSR and but DLSSR is the same thing that already exists default on like every modern graphics card.

Brandon Hurles: 50:32

It wouldn't be a 4070, I can tell you that this looks better than my 4070 on the PC. It just does.

Mark Trobough: 50:39

You're probably bottlenecked somewhere else when you go to the PC.

Brandon Hurles: 50:41

I can't wait to see where I've got the best. Cpu you can have.

Mark Trobough: 50:45

If it's better, then they're losing a lot of money on that. Then they have to be. There's no way they have equivalent hardware and it's like half the price of a PC.

Brandon Hurles: 50:55

I love that a lot of people are coming in as we're arguing. No, I'm not arguing against PC.

Mark Trobough: 51:01

I don't think there's anything wrong with that If you can afford to get into it, just go that route. It's not going to be the same, especially if you get to the.

Brandon Hurles: 51:11

This is not for most people To properly display it. This is not for most people.

Mark Trobough: 51:14

No, I'm just saying if you added the cost of a proper OLED 4K TV that needs to display it, you know that's just as expensive, if not more than the equivalent of a monitor. That's obviously significantly smaller.

Brandon Hurles: 51:26

Well, I'm pricing out monitors right now, and actually the monitors I'm coming across are more expensive if I want to have all the capabilities that this system can take advantage of.

Mark Trobough: 51:37

Um, so I was looking at tv itself is cheaper, which you could in theory still use with the pc you can get a 4k, not the 120 tv for 300 bucks.

Brandon Hurles: 51:45

I've got one.

Mark Trobough: 51:46

That's what I have, it doesn't doesn't usually work the same way as a traditional monitor when it comes to like gaming usually doesn't, unless you go like the c4 route.

Brandon Hurles: 51:53

You know the lg c4 where you're going, the real high end tv. It then it does. It's got the variable refresh rate, the auto low latency mode, but it's also like hdmi 2.1 it's like a 40 to 50 inch screen tv.

Mark Trobough: 52:06

You don't really get a much smaller than that, which is too large for any practical gaming application. When it comes to a PC, with how close you're going to end up being to the screen, Mr Coffee said that that game is rare.

Brandon Hurles: 52:18

I didn't know it was rare. I had been eyeballing it for a long time and it was like $40, and I was just like I don't want to spend $40 on it. But they had it for $15, and I grabbed it and they added rollback netcode.

Mark Trobough: 52:30

That's really cool, yeah, but he also said like a mid-range $1,100 to $1,500 PC just the Tower of the Dead.

Mark Trobough: 52:38

You're going to have equivalent stuff with that If you know how to properly set up all your. You need to make sure your settings there's a lot of settings and stuff you can do that add more load that don't really do a whole lot for certain games. So you have to get there's a lot of settings you have to go through and properly optimize it and there's obviously a lot of stuff that that will optimize it based off your hardware. And he also mentioned like oh, you have to, you know, constantly upgrade it. But I mean like, at the very least you're on if, if you have the money, every like two, three, four years you can keep your pc up to date. That console is going to very quickly, you know, go away, but you know you're going to buy it every what? Four to six years.

Brandon Hurles: 53:15

That's the life of a console, though, right, this is going to be good for four years and around the PS6.

Mark Trobough: 53:20

It's so far beyond where you bought that. So maybe a launch it's equivalent, but in two years it's already left in the dust, and that's why we get a new iteration.

Brandon Hurles: 53:28

That's the reason. But it takes longer for the hardware, stuff like that and it ages so fast. Mark, I think you're missing a point. The point of a console is a plug and play, that's it. You don't have to mess with building anything.

Mark Trobough: 53:40

Always gonna fight back and it's not just because the whole pc mastery stuff, even though it's a funny joke, but like it's for that price tag, you're just never gonna have the same equivalent like you know, I equivalent experience.

Brandon Hurles: 53:52

I still play my handheld games, I still play retro games. I don't care about having, it doesn't matter to me about having the highest specced out PC or whatever, having the equivalent to what the PS5 Pro is at a I'm not even going to say $1,500 price point, I'm going to say an $1, I want to say like an 1800 price point you might as well go to the two thousand dollars at that point you might as well, which is the problem.

Brandon Hurles: 54:20

That's the problem right there. Like a two to twenty five hundred dollars, you get a fairly high in this economy that we're in right now. And who has two thousand? I mean and here's what I'll say, by the way, one of the sixth or seventh job. At that point, let me. Let me tell you this too, because I definitely don't want people to think I have money or anything like that I traded in my PS5 and I got almost $400 out of it. So I traded that in plus trading in some games used credit I already had there. So so all in all, I only spent like $230 on it Pretty good.

Mark Trobough: 54:54

That point's not terrible. But to be fair, your PS5 needs to be in decent condition, and the more time goes on, the quicker that trading value is going to start dropping.

Brandon Hurles: 55:06

Well, I had to get on it. I mean I was in there day one and it was almost $400. It was like $378 or something. To me it's fair. I mean day one and it was it was almost 400, it was like 378 or something. Uh, and what to me is fair? I mean I've had it since launch and uh, I, I'm, I'm happy with it, I'm super happy with it.

Mark Trobough: 55:20

So but here's the real question will the ps5 or the ps6 pro break a thousand dollars?

Brandon Hurles: 55:29

uh, I think it will be at a price point of um 9.99 I mean in another 10 years, when we get it probably I just think, with the rising cost of hardware, where we're at with hardware and where we're at with, like pc building, a thousand dollar entry, if you have. I mean, obviously we don't have any idea with specs right now, but let's just say it's equivalent. A ps6 is equivalent because we're going to already be outdated pc wise. We're already going to be looking at the 5000 series, right? We already know that that's in the works, that's happening. It should be announced by december, um, but my guess is that the ps6 will be equivalent to like a 4090, but at that point it's going to be quite outdated, when you know, considering pc. But we're at the point of diminishing returns, and that's the problem, right? If? Well, that's where.

Mark Trobough: 56:25

That's where ai starts to, that's where dls s, pssr, all that stuff is important.

Brandon Hurles: 56:31

That is the only reason. That is the reason that I wanted it. I will say this to a degree, I believe it is an absolute game changer, and the fact that I can throw in a PS4 game and it looks and runs better than it did on the PS5, the PS4 Pro or the ps4 is absolutely insane to me, because it's not even advertised. That's not even really advertised at all.

Mark Trobough: 57:00

but that's no but it's like that's what I would expect it to perform better, to some degree, at the very least for a ps4, but I'm just gonna say the fact that I disagree with the admission returns, because the ability, the, the, maybe the graphical fidelity is just hitting the hard limit with the amount of generation. Returns, because maybe the graphical fidelity is just hitting the hard limit with the amount of pixels that you can just you'll perceive through the human eye on screen and stuff like that.

Mark Trobough: 57:20

I mean we can't see how they can the amount of processing power that we're getting is leaps and bounds higher, especially with the CPUs. The amount of cores and processing power they have is always drastically moving forward and getting higher. But if you've seen, with a lot of their new ones, what's it the 13th and 14th gen that came out last year is that they're more intricate, but that means they're more prone to have problems and break far easier than it may seem.

Mark Trobough: 57:44

Well, don't say that, because that's what I have 10 years ago. No, I had that problem when I first bought it.

Brandon Hurles: 57:50

You, don't have an i9 14th gen, though, do you?

Mark Trobough: 57:54

I believe mine is a 14th gen, or is it the i9?

Brandon Hurles: 57:59

Mine. I believe it should be the i9. You have an i7 from what you sent me.

Mark Trobough: 58:01

No, I've got an i7, but that doesn't mean it's i7 and i9 have 13th and 14th gen. No, I know that.

Brandon Hurles: 58:14

It's just different levels of things. But what you sent me was you had an i7, so like it's a great, a great cpu, and I mean I wouldn't say like 47. A 4070 is really only good for 1440p gaming. It's not meant for like 4k gaming, and the ps6 is designed from the ground up for 4k gaming as well but it also binds.

Mark Trobough: 58:32

Yeah, because the the i7 147k that I have is a 14th gen processor so that's where my comparison of it being closer to a 4080 is.

Brandon Hurles: 58:40

Is that the fact that my 4070 is not meant for 4k gaming? It's meant for 1440p and 1080p gaming. The ps6, or ps6, the ps5 pro, is designed for 4k gaming at 120 frames per second, same time with a very low refresh rate and auto latency, which I cannot do. And I've got the best cpu. I've got a good gpu. I mean 4070 isn't bad but no, but I like to be fair the enthusiasts that probably already have equivalent pcs.

Mark Trobough: 59:18

How many people, honest to god, actually have 4k proper?

Brandon Hurles: 59:22

4k, 4k. I'm using 4k monitor. I mean I, I want a 4k.

Mark Trobough: 59:27

I mean because we still do now every time same does their, uh, their hardware stuff matters. I just did one a little while ago. Most people, even on PC gaming, are still, you know, most of their just 1440p is a great option are still 1080p. That's what most people game at 1440p is a great option.

Brandon Hurles: 59:45

I think it's awesome. But I'm not like a graphics whore. It doesn't have to do with that. But the resolution of 4K for me? I have bad eyesight. It just looks better for me in person. I've got a 4K TV and I can compare it to my 1440p monitor, my 1080p monitor and see the difference. I've had them all hooked up with the same game and it's shot. I see shockingly better with the 4k, like I just do with my eyesight. Um, but we're getting to the point of once you get the 8k, we can't see what the human eye past 8k.

Mark Trobough: 1:00:23

Right, no, but you can see the, the, the resolution.

Brandon Hurles: 1:00:27

You can really only see the 8k difference from 4k If you're looking at a 50 inch or bigger TVK. If you're looking at a 50-inch or bigger TV.

Mark Trobough: 1:00:35

If you're playing on a monitor.

Brandon Hurles: 1:00:37

It's useless. It's useless.

Mark Trobough: 1:00:39

There's no reason to play on an 8K monitor. You can only fit so many pixels on the screen. There's just a hard limit. That's why these high resolutions require larger screens, because you just need the more pixels on screen.

Brandon Hurles: 1:00:52

Mr Coffee said. I think it's the cost, but the price tag of PS4 Pro. It just means we might see future consoles going for $2,000 or $1,500. People do have that money because people are buying iPhones at $999 or more every year.

Mark Trobough: 1:01:10

Those are also on payment plans. I just want to put it out there. When you buy a phone plan like a Verizon, you're paying them for like two years.

Brandon Hurles: 1:01:16

Mine was $1,300 because I went with the one terabyte model. But yeah, payment plan. I do a lot of video and photos so I had to go with the one terabyte. Ethereal Sapphire said the PS6 Pro is 1K. Nobody is buying that. You'd be surprised.

Mark Trobough: 1:01:35

You'd be surprised though you have to take into account inflation and over like what? Since 2020? It's like a, an average, like a 20, like a, like a 20, 25 increase in just the cost of everything and with inflation, like, once prices go up they hardly ever come back down.

Brandon Hurles: 1:01:48

Like inflation is usually a fairly permanent thing the rumored prices for the 5000 series, from what I remember seeing, were absolutely ludicrous.

Mark Trobough: 1:01:58

I mean the 4090 is already they're, they're gonna drop crazy expensive.

Brandon Hurles: 1:02:02

I mean you're looking at 1500 for just a graphics card and yes, they will. They will drop down. I don't remember. Rumored price is a lot of the specs of those. No, not much, Not much.

Mark Trobough: 1:02:15

So we don't know exactly what they're trying to put into that.

Brandon Hurles: 1:02:17

Yeah, we've gotten little tidbits, but it will be announced by December, so we will know and probably be released by March of next year.

Mark Trobough: 1:02:25

Yeah, and I'll say this like kind of like with the games, like if you want to upgrade immediately and you want to do trade-ins, you essentially have to commit to upgrading out the gate. Well, say you're 40, 60, 40, 70, 40, 90 Still holds a significant portion of its value before it drops below the point where you just write it. It's not worth like selling it or you're just getting like a chunk back. Most people that want to trade in Greg are gonna start necessarily use GPU every year, so we can get like 60 to 80 percent of their cost if they bought on it back.

Brandon Hurles: 1:02:53

Can you trade in a graphics card towards another one? Can you trade in a graphics card?

Mark Trobough: 1:03:00

towards another one. It depends on the site. But if you want the most money kind of like trading in games you sell it yourself second hand at a price. You go online, you post it yourself.

Brandon Hurles: 1:03:09

The problem is you gotta have the other one in hand before you're doing that, obviously so it's a mixture of both.

Mark Trobough: 1:03:15

Some people will do the same things once they kind of guarantee it's sell to buy the other one. You might be down a week or so waiting on it, but essentially, regardless of how it plays out, you're you're saving a significant portion. So they say the next one's like 1500 but you have like a 4090 and you got like five, six hundred dollars back.

Brandon Hurles: 1:03:32

Well, that you know, you better get one of those are $1,500 graphics cards.

Mark Trobough: 1:03:37

I don't know, I don't know the exact, you know, 4090 second hand market yeah, I don't.

Brandon Hurles: 1:03:46

Well, I mean I do because I was, you know, window shopping them. But I will say this if you are wanting to get a PS5 Pro trade and you want to trade, and do it now because you know when they're shopping them. But I will say this if you are wanting to get a ps5 pro trade and you want to trade, and do it now, because gamestop is going to lower that trade-in value real soon because they're going to have too much stock of it's it's regular supply and demand like and eventually, because the piece continues that was a good deal.

Brandon Hurles: 1:04:09

I'm not a gamestop trading guy at all, but to me that was a good deal towards it almost 400. A GameStop trading guy at all, but to me that was a good deal towards it. Almost 400 bucks, I mean no but like you also have.

Mark Trobough: 1:04:15

The other thing is this is a new thing that most people coming in will be. You know at that point this is the better thing, but also the PS five is starting to age of it. You can already see the aging which is one of the reasons that the ps5 pro, I think, does matter, and yeah the no. But also in another two years when the ps6. That's going to cause the price to drop again because everyone wants the new thing. Who wants an out-of-date console at that point?

Brandon Hurles: 1:04:41

yeah, yeah, my guess is that we're looking at four years. So I think we're looking at four years of this and obviously we had four years, you know be a total of eight years for the ps5, because, yeah, that life cycles are usually six to eight years. And, uh, just guessing on how they did the ps4 pro, it's probably, we're probably looking at four, four years of this being the standard. They're obviously going to be pushing this model more than any other.

Brandon Hurles: 1:05:07

They're going to push it, it's not going to sell the way that a PS5 does.

Mark Trobough: 1:05:10

I'll make a guess, the PS5 Pro won't make up more than 10% to 15% of the total PS5 inventory that the consumer hands. My guess is 12%. I think it's in that range. I just don't think most people aren't going to care enough or it's just not worth it for most people.

Brandon Hurles: 1:05:27

Most people that want a PS5, they already have one. I'm a gaming enthusiast. This is what I love. I love upgrading stuff. I love checking out the new hardware. I'm an enthusiast. I'm a gamer, I'm a collector. I love this stuff. This is what I live and breathe. It makes me happy.

Mark Trobough: 1:05:46

I guess I'll say this just because Mr Coffee talked about picking a PS4 Pro for $40 for three games. The best time to buy consoles is just to collect is right within the few years that it's like the last gen, where nobody wants it. Before it becomes retro, it's out of stock, people start looking for it again. So this is. It looks like the time this is to get a bunch. Well, I would say, get PS4s, but it's backwards compatible. But like I don't buy a handful of ps4s and then maybe eventually people want to buy them again down the road I can make a suggestion, though it's not a cheap um suggestion, but it's.

Brandon Hurles: 1:06:21

It's an idea for people that might be listening to the podcast or are watching live. I've got a ps3 hooked up right next to me. It is the backwards compatible original launch model, so it plays PS3, ps2, and PS1 natively. It has a PS2 built inside of it, so it plays it natively. And then I've got the PS5 Pro here to play PS4 and PS5 games, so I can play all the PlayStation games right next to each other here, ready to hook up at all times to my HD, hd 60x if I want to stream or whatever. Um, so that is my recommendation, because if you want to play them natively without having to have six or five consoles hooked up, that is the way to do it.

Brandon Hurles: 1:07:04

Um for sure, it took me, I will say this it took me about five or six years to find a launch model ps3. To be able to do that, though, because, uh, you, if you find, if you find the other ps3s, all they play are ps1 and ps3 games. They don't play ps2. This has a ps2 built inside of it. There's an entire ps2 inside of it, so that that's the biggest library and one of my favorite libraries ever. Uh, ps2 library is absolutely insane, so that that was my. That that's how. That's how I do it, that's how I play.

Mark Trobough: 1:07:38

You know one of the playstations here's a good idea for like a homebrew project. Uh, wholesale unrealistic for for an open market, but something like if you had the means to like make your dream gaming room or something like that. Essentially you just have a giant wall where essentially it's a giant computer built in, so you like have like here's where I can plug in my ps1 games, here's my ps2 drive natively, where you just take the hardware and just like wire it into like a giant box on the wall built with a built-in tv and stuff like that for all your systems. So essentially, cannibalize like a all the hardware for every system but you put it together in one giant gaming console, if that makes any sense.

Brandon Hurles: 1:08:19

Uh make it like the ultimate entertainment systems.

Mark Trobough: 1:08:22

Read out like movies and books on the side and you have your tv in the middle.

Mark Trobough: 1:08:25

Same concept, just a tv, but it's all like built in together, if that makes any sense so explain that again no think like a homemade entertainment like they used to have, where you could put like movies and stuff on the side. You put like your game or DVD player down below, oh yeah, in the middle, but instead you just have like a TV built into the essentially a giant, what looks like a computer, oh yeah, like areas where you plug in like here's where my PS1 games go, here's my Xbox games go, and stuff like that. It's like a like a homebrew all-in-one project or something like that, which, yeah, it'd be kind of neat for sure, like you could pop off kind of like service.

Mark Trobough: 1:09:01

You could pop off the drawers in the back and go through maintenance everything and stuff like that. Yeah, you said that that idea kind of came to mind. Wholesale super expensive, you gotta get to know what you're doing, and stuff like that, but that would be like a really Cool thing to do yeah, that would be Cool.

Brandon Hurles: 1:09:15

Um, I gotta ask you because you never told me and I hope you did, because they're sold out and You'd have to pay a thousand dollars On ebay at this point now, if you didn't do it. But did you pre-order an analog 3d? No, I didn't, oh man.

Mark Trobough: 1:09:30

They're out of stock now. But there's other stuff isn't stock. Who it's out of stock? I wouldn't buy it now, waiting to see they good chance they end up bringing it back they usually restock the consoles one time but they sell out in seconds. I mean they well, at that point, why not just keep making more of them?

Brandon Hurles: 1:09:46

because they're a boutique company and that's what they do. It's like limited run games. They make a limited amount of consoles. That kind of makes me sad for you because of all the consoles I think of when.

Mark Trobough: 1:09:57

I think of you, I think of the 64. I just don't have the money for it right now.

Brandon Hurles: 1:10:01

No, I get it. I get it, hopefully.

Mark Trobough: 1:10:04

the opportunity comes, I'm getting ripped off on the new open market. I'm just not doing that?

Brandon Hurles: 1:10:08

No, no, not I'm not telling you to do that, I'm just saying and there's already if you look on ebay, look it up real quick on ebay, see what they're going for right now.

Mark Trobough: 1:10:15

I'm curious they haven't shipped out yet. People just pricing stuff online.

Brandon Hurles: 1:10:19

I but they always do it. It doesn't matter if they shipped out. They secured a copy, so at that point that's all that matters. It'll get shipped to them. Then they'll ship to the, the buyer. So I I'd be curious, because it looks like it's going to be coming out early next year, so I'm guessing by March they should be shipping. I am extremely excited. The reason I brought it up is because the controllers went up for preorder today on Amazon the new 8Bbit DOH controllers that they made specifically for this. You can buy those. Those are available on Amazon right now. Oh yes, all those.

Mark Trobough: 1:10:58

I'm like if they ever come back, I don't know why they would keep it. Why list a bunch of stuff once it's sold out forever, like their Mega, s, g, super NT and other stuff like that?

Brandon Hurles: 1:11:09

They'll never bring them back. I wish they would, because I missed out.

Mark Trobough: 1:11:11

Why not just leave it sold out on your page?

Brandon Hurles: 1:11:13

I don't know. I wish they would bring back every one of those, because I would buy one of all of them and that would be my way to play those retro games. It makes the most sense. It's brand new hardware that will last the rest of my lifetime. But I was wrong. It looks like I mean they wrong. It looks like I mean they're not nearly as bad as I thought that it would be. I see 395 by it now, 415 by it now, 439 by it now. Uh, for the black. Um, apparently the white sold out first and the black was available for the rest of that day. Um, I wanted the black anyway. But now I kind of wish that I would have went with the white, because I didn't know it was going to be the more popular model.

Brandon Hurles: 1:11:55

My thing with the white is dust collecting and I don't know either, but it sold out immediately. The white did, and the black stayed on there for a little bit. Yeah, so it looks like it's not as bad as I thought it was going to be. I'm curious.

Mark Trobough: 1:12:12

I'm not paying $400 for it. I wouldn't pay that much for it.

Brandon Hurles: 1:12:16

No, I wouldn't either.

Mark Trobough: 1:12:18

I don't blame you, don't blame me at all, but I guess we can move on to some other things. Yeah, Sorry, I have a little stuffy in my nose for some reason. We got some news that apparently Hogwarts Legacy is getting a sequel and it's currently being developed right now. Apparently there's a Hogwarts Legacy is getting a sequel and it's currently being developed right now. Over at I don't remember if it was Warner Bros Games or somebody else Warner Bros Interactive came out and said that there is a sequel in the works for this game. I never got that far into it. It was an okay game. I just didn't care.

Brandon Hurles: 1:12:48

I'm not a big character games fan, I'm going to pick it up because it's a PS5 Pro enhanced game, so I want to check it out now.

Mark Trobough: 1:12:55

Yeah, I don't even know if I got this physical. I mean, I think I may have got this game digital.

Brandon Hurles: 1:12:59

I can't remember yeah see, I can't do that stuff, I just can't do it. It's not worth it.

Mark Trobough: 1:13:07

Yeah, we don't know a whole lot about it, at least from what I've seen, other than the fact that another game's in the works. It was a pretty successful game when it came out. It got drafted on the awards, but financially it did pretty well.

Brandon Hurles: 1:13:22

People seemed to love it. It got a lot of awards.

Mark Trobough: 1:13:30

No, it didn't.

Brandon Hurles: 1:13:32

It got snubbed, didn't it?

Mark Trobough: 1:13:34

yeah, not related to the actual game itself, which is crap, but I mean, that's games media for you.

Brandon Hurles: 1:13:39

I tell you what it's like a slam dunk from Michael Jordan 100%.

Mark Trobough: 1:13:44

Still, blood is going to get the same treatment. It's going to get shafted at the awards. That's my game of the year. What are you looking at me like that for? Oh, you can't hear it, can you? No, I can't. I just see you looking at me like trying to stay in my soul.

Brandon Hurles: 1:14:01

I'm just being an idiot. So it looks like what do we got next here?

Mark Trobough: 1:14:05

yeah. So this is just something a little funny. If you haven't seen it, this one specifically was posted by Anime Corner on Twitter, but because of yesterday was the 7th, which was the I think it was the same year 2024, something like that. It might not have been the same year, but it was the date that the if you've watched anime sort out online that the game, the death game, since it came to an end. What's?

Brandon Hurles: 1:14:29

that Big fan of season one.

Mark Trobough: 1:14:33

It is what it is, but there's somebody some I don't know if it's like a person like youtuber somebody made like a short little 15 minute like news clip that the game kind of ended just because it was like the anniversary, little little broadcast type thing. I can't remember if it was the, it might have been the exact year, I can't remember.

Brandon Hurles: 1:14:49

Now I'm curious yeah, I can't remember either, yeah.

Mark Trobough: 1:14:58

I've got to Google this quiet there for a second players became trapped in the game of 2022, so I think 2024 was the actual year in universe that they got out of it oh interesting.

Brandon Hurles: 1:15:13

I found it interesting that Kiriko finally made it through yeah, right, this is killing me.

Mark Trobough: 1:15:23

The light novel published from 2002 to 2008. It was an older light novel series. I didn't know that At the time. It would have been like, yeah, in the future. I was trying to follow something. I was trying to follow something.

Mark Trobough: 1:15:43

So, no, yeah, it was 2024 in-universe that it actually ended, so it was the actual day that the game actually ended. That's why they made that. I just needed to double-check For those that actually care about that. I thought it was something funny, stu, but I thought I'd bring it up and obviously the last little thing before we get to some of the main topics was funny enough up, and obviously the last little thing before we get to some of the some of the main topics was, uh, funny enough.

Mark Trobough: 1:16:04

This was posted by bounding in the comics and, if you don't know, they definitely have a have a reputation for being one of the worst what like the worst of games media when you think of them.

Mark Trobough: 1:16:14

But there was a article or not an article, but a research done by at uh ohio state university with about 400 some undergradsads were, essentially because this article is poorly written as far as like giving you the actual numbers and statistics that a study actually does, and it was terribly, terribly worded for that. But you know, women actually love playing is what they call highly sexualized characters Over, you know, characters that actually look like maybe them in reality, the fact that they published this at all, which goes against. You know very obviously what these games journals believe in because they come out. I mean, let me pull up the article. I mean the first entrance, the first little sentence alone just says everything you know about this, about how they wrote this article.

Mark Trobough: 1:17:03

For years, the more terminally online among the mainstream Western video game industry, from developers to journalists to even players, have loudly proclaimed that not only are sexualized female characters somehow harmful to society, but that actually real-world women also find designs outright appalling, wholesale, not even relevant to. It's somewhat relevant, but not necessary. When you talk about an article yeah, it's a little interesting way to put it.

Brandon Hurles: 1:17:33

Oh, by the way, we ran a poll on here. It looks like 60% of people do want a PS5 Pro.

Mark Trobough: 1:17:39

Of how many people.

Brandon Hurles: 1:17:41

I'm gonna have to check here.

Mark Trobough: 1:17:44

Oh, it's five people, five people. So I mean that's good, that's it. You might as well write a study about that. That's big enough to say right.

Brandon Hurles: 1:17:55

Hard Drive Gamer said Hi, mark. And then also said Ew. Ethereal Sapphire said I still haven't played hogwarts legacy. I need to get around to it. Yeah, me too. And then brandon told mark to be quiet so silence chat silent chat. All right, what do we got next, mark?

Mark Trobough: 1:18:16

like uh, yeah, more or less we can just go straight into our uh, our main topic. I don't know. You just talked about the PS5 Pro. Do you want to go a little bit more into that or just go to the next thing?

Brandon Hurles: 1:18:29

Yeah, I mean I guess I just wanted to go over everything that's different about it and basically go from there. Okay, so this doesn't really matter. But IGN scored it an 8, which is whatever. Fine, um, let me see, hold on, double check something here. Um, okay, so it looks like trying to find all the actual specs to give some technical deep go, okay.

Brandon Hurles: 1:18:57

So, uh, first off, it has has a 2-terabyte SSD already built into it, which is a big upgrade, obviously from the 1-terabyte. It's twice as large but the same speed as the original super-fast storage. And then I transferred over my 1-terabyte SSD that I had in my other one and actually just ordered a 2-terabyte SSD that I had my other one and I actually just ordered a two terabyte SSD. So I'm going to swap that out and I'll have four terabytes there on the PlayStation 5, because games are huge, I mean, they take up so much space. So I think four terabytes is a pretty good size to have for a console at this point with the size of games. So how much do you have in your PC? Because I only have two terabytes in my PC.

Mark Trobough: 1:19:44

I think my SSD is only one terabyte, but I've got numerous terabytes of just regular hard drive space that I just use for just storage.

Brandon Hurles: 1:19:51

So I was going to say I also have a hard drive for the PS5 Pro that stores my PS4 games. So I use the SSD for ps5 games and then I use my two terabyte hard drive for the ps4 games the only thing, about when it comes to like you can't play games off of the hard drive. You have to transfer them over, but you can store your games there.

Mark Trobough: 1:20:15

So yeah, plus, like when I play games and stuff like that, I don't have like all hundred some games downloaded. That would be ungodly amounts of terabytes of space. It would just eat up for no reason. But I can also download games within an hour of any size, from five gigs to 150 gigs.

Brandon Hurles: 1:20:32

See, that's why I've got to have, because I don't have an hour to wait around. When I get to play, I barely get to play, I don't have it ready to go.

Mark Trobough: 1:20:40

Regardless of game size, it doesn't take more than an hour. If that sometimes like a 50 gigs, it takes, like you know, maybe 30 minutes. Download, install for me all right.

Brandon Hurles: 1:20:49

So here's what we got. Um, some of the key takeaways here. For the ps5 pro uh, we've got uh cpu. It has an an eight times zen 2 cores at 3.5GHz, and I want to say that the PlayStation 5 was 3.2GHz. I'm not going to read off all the numbers because it's not going to mean much to most people, but the GPU has a custom RDNA 2 architecture 36 cores at 223 gigahertz. So the PS5 has upgraded capabilities compared to the base model, offering improved performance, immersion and beauty in games. There are over 50 games right now at launch that are PS5 Pro enhanced.

Brandon Hurles: 1:21:40

It looks like. Let me see here I'm trying to make sure that I get all the details. So, yeah, it looks like I was right. So the PlayStation 5 had an 8-core, 16-thread processor based on the AMD Zen 2, and the PS5 Pro or hold on, sorry, I had it reversed the ps5 had the 3.5 gigahertz uh clock speed, so the ps5 pro is overclocked. Um, it looks like we also got the graphics in.

Brandon Hurles: 1:22:11

The playstation 5 pro are powered by a chip equipped with 67 percent more compute units and 28 faster memory than the gpu and the base model. Uh, the base ps5 is 10.28 teraflops, while the ps5 pro has 16.7 teraflops gpu. Uh, playstation 5 pro has 16 gigabytes of gddr 6 ram and an additional two gigabytes of ddr5 memory, which ps5 uh did not have. Any additional memory. Um, playstation 5 pro has twice the amount of free storage space. Obviously we said the two terabytes and that's the base model there for that. Um looks like the ps5 pro weighs in at 3.1 kilograms while the uh ps5 pro is at 5.2 kilograms, so definitely a weight difference there.

Brandon Hurles: 1:23:10

Um, we've got oh ps5 pro has something new called game boost mode and essentially it is game boost is what I was talking about earlier for the PS4 games, where it will boost up the game. Essentially, put a PS4 game in, it boosts the game up. So better frame rate, better resolution, visuals, stuff like that, and that is exclusive obviously to the Pro. We've also got I mean, I think it's, it's depending all the big points and obviously pssr and playstation 5 has no um dlss features. So yeah, yeah, so I mean you're, you're kind of on the the fence of not having any interest in getting it, and then I don't have any interest in getting it, and then I don't have any interest in getting it.

Mark Trobough: 1:24:02

Yeah, I it. Everything plays just fine. I it looks better, but to me I've seen upgrades before it just it's. It's negligible. I already I will say I made the mistake of the.

Brandon Hurles: 1:24:11

PS4. You haven't really seen the upgrade, so until you see it in person, you, you just the compression on the internet, you, you it's diminishing returns and that and when I say diminishing returns I mean diminishing returns on compression and videos you just cannot see the difference you.

Mark Trobough: 1:24:32

you have to see it in person it's also negligible because I don't have a 4k tv. I've had the same tv since like 2017 I had it plugged in today.

Brandon Hurles: 1:24:38

I had it plugged into my monitor. I didn't plug it into my TV yet, so I plugged it into my monitor. So I tried it on my 1080p PS3 monitor and then I tried it on my 1440p ultra-wide screen monitor, and I didn't even play in 4K and it just looked significantly better.

Mark Trobough: 1:24:58

But I mean, I'm already at the point. If I actually cared about 4K gaming, gaming and the fact that so many of these games are coming to PC, I rather just put, put that extra money into just upgrading to PC and it's you know, because if you really wanted to go high in to get the best out of it, you know PC is always gonna be the way to go. But I just I will say more flexibility.

Brandon Hurles: 1:25:17

I will say there's a little regret. I did not grab the elgato stream deck yet because we need them. We need them especially for twitch. Oh my gosh, if there's a game changer mark, when you, when you get that, you'll see exactly what I'm talking about, how much gonna be a while, how much of a game changer that is. It's next on my list. It's just when I can get it. I'm trying to find a deal. I keep bidding on them on on eBay and losing, trying to find a deal Because you can get.

Mark Trobough: 1:25:45

At that point you're going to have to get lucky, but probably not.

Brandon Hurles: 1:25:48

We'll see. I've got lucky before. I'll keep trying.

Mark Trobough: 1:25:51

At that point it'd just be easier to buy it at MSRP. Just save up for it.

Brandon Hurles: 1:25:56

Well, I'm a cheapo, all right. So we Well, machipo, all right. So we've got Mario and Luigi Brothership. We spoke on it a little bit earlier.

Mark Trobough: 1:26:04

We didn't trash on IGN for a 5 out of 10 for it enough.

Brandon Hurles: 1:26:08

Not yet. We're getting to that, but no, some of the review scores. So OpenCritic has it at a 79, and Metacritic has it at an 80. That's exactly what we both said. Yeah that's what I would say.

Mark Trobough: 1:26:21

That's like you know, digital trends 2.5 out of 5. I think it's too low. I mean, you know, eurogamer and stuff like that press start 7.5 out of 10, a 4 out of 5. Of course Nintendo gave it a 9 out of 10 and stuff like that, but I think a 9 is too high. I think a 9 is too high. I think a 7 to an 8 is where this game realistically lies.

Brandon Hurles: 1:26:42

Who is God? Is a geek.

Mark Trobough: 1:26:45

I have no idea. Whatever Nintendo deal over on Twitter, grabbed it.

Brandon Hurles: 1:26:49

Oh my gosh, but yeah, I mean. So what's kind of your thoughts with, just say, your first opening thoughts with the first 15 minutes of the game? What were your thoughts? Because you've never played a Mario and Luigi game before, you've never played a Mario RPG whatsoever. So what are kind of your thoughts with the opening of the game? No spoilers, obviously we're not that far.

Mark Trobough: 1:27:13

It's both my favorite and my least favorite Mario and Luigi game, by nature of it being the only one I was about to say Outside of it.

Mark Trobough: 1:27:23

At times there's too much dialogue where it's like I just want to get and play the game like this Because it's kind of RPG-esque, but the story's just not super deep, at least not out the gate. I think the dialogue goes on a little too long than it needs to. In some areas, the actual gameplay I think is absolutely fun. Because when to in some areas the actual gameplay I think is absolutely fun. Uh because, like with the, when you're running around, obviously mario's the main, luigi kind of follows you. There's, like you know, hit a to jump for mario, b for luigi and stuff like that and there's certain things you can do.

Mark Trobough: 1:27:49

As far as the, the puzzles, early on it's just getting you used to the world and the character controls and stuff like that. So the ability to create unique puzzles is there, uh, with you uh, creating or controlling two different characters. But also the combat it's what you would call term-based combat, but there's also unique ways to counter the enemy. So what you do is different. You can jump on an enemy but you can use Mario and Luigi to they use each other to get multiple hits on an enemy and stuff like that and do more damage and stuff like that.

Brandon Hurles: 1:28:21

Later your enemies have moves to be able to use, like Mario and Luigi at the same time, for a stronger move and things like that.

Mark Trobough: 1:28:29

I'm still early on, where it's just a lot of basic attacks and stuff like that. But no, you also have to deal with the enemies. Not only can they hit, obviously, if you just don't do anything, they're going to hit you and do damage. But you can both dodge and counter. But the way enemies attack you is a little different. You kind of kind of have to learn how different enemies, their attack patterns, work in battle. That way you can both dodge and you know, say, stomp on them as you're dodging to do more damage and stuff like that, which is a unique thing, to kind of keep you on your toes during the combat and stuff like that yeah, I always love the counter attacks and then obviously the way that you can dodge moves, and marion luigi, because every single enemy has a different way.

Brandon Hurles: 1:29:08

It's going to come out and attack you and stuff like that, so you're constantly having to learn some of them will have to use a hammer, um, but, but I always love the ability of being able to strike the enemy twice if you time correctly, which you get good at timing correctly too and it helps in later battles.

Brandon Hurles: 1:29:26

Let me tell you, in Mario Luigi Partners in Time, the final boss battle is an absolute nightmare. I remember as a kid and this would have been around the time that me and you were hanging out playing games and stuff for the GBA and DS. But I got it around that time and I was like hardcore into the DS at the time, like I had a collection bigger than I have now and I just absolutely loved it. But I remember having to do that boss battle probably 100 times before I beat it. So, like it does amp up in difficulty Always does you obviously unlock new moves and new things and we don't know where the story is going to take us. So I'm excited to see what happens with the game. Do you plan to see it through?

Mark Trobough: 1:30:14

I might stream it one or two more times. No idea if I plan on I don't plan on beating the game on stream. We'll see if I actually properly get around to beating it. I'm sure I will eventually. But I mean, it seems like it's a fairly large world and stuff like that you can probably be, because you're essentially on a ship going around, having to like reconnect a bunch of other islands and stuff bringing together.

Mark Trobough: 1:30:33

It's not spoiler, it's pretty early on the story and stuff like that, but it's kind of unique because you only have like many islands and stuff like that, but you also have apparently large, like four large uh lighthouses and stuff that you eventually need to go to. But you're also on a ship, so like there's like a mini map and you have to go around different currents to get to different islands. But you know it's not like a fast travel thing, like you have to wait for your ship to to move around, get within range in the next island, so it kind of it's like you're actually in the world, moving it around and stuff like that. Yeah, as well as there, you'll see as you go through, uh, you'll go through certain worlds, but there's very obvious different areas where you have to get power-ups or you have to uh, have reconnected, said, the island back to your main ship to then unlock other areas. So there's always a reason to go back to the different worlds, though, once you've unlocked the islands's a straight little fast travel.

Mark Trobough: 1:31:20

More people will come to your main ship. You can go back, buy different things, upgrade different stuff. There's a reason to complete the game At least early on, an initial reason to go back to different areas to collect more things, as well as if you have an achievement bone. There are what we call different challenges that you can do to unlock different gear, awards and stuff like that, or just like little power-ups. You can use, uh, one of them's like hey, you need to.

Mark Trobough: 1:31:48

You know, you know, win 500, 300 battles or win 300 battles without having any kind of like gear or stuff powered up. So they're like there's like little achievements and stuff like that if you want to like challenge yourself to to different things in the game as well. But yeah, for like a little platformer, rpg type game, I don't think it's like the hardest thing in the world from what I've played, but it's. It's a nice type of game that you could hop in, do an island in about a half hour to an hour and then, you know, come back to it later. So you could hop in for like 30 minutes, do an island and then do another island, you know, or something like that yeah you need to sit down and play for for a significant amount of time.

Mark Trobough: 1:32:27

They're like right, when I took it they're like kind of like mini, little dungeons, kind of like in the tears of the kingdom breath of wild, you have those mini, mini dungeons and then you have your overall larger, bigger dungeons, kind of later on is what it felt like yeah, yeah, I haven't made it as far as you.

Brandon Hurles: 1:32:39

I literally just shot out the cannon to the first island, so I've made it nowhere near where you have, but I'm glad to hear that you're enjoying it and I think it is a good game. I would love to see you see it through, because I like watching your streams. I like when you stream and I feel like you could probably be in three or four streams. Honestly.

Mark Trobough: 1:33:01

If there are more than like two hours, it feels like it's a longer game.

Brandon Hurles: 1:33:06

They're usually like 15, 20 hour games, usually yeah, but I guess we'll see yeah we'll see. What else we got next?

Mark Trobough: 1:33:16

Got me burping. Caught you lurping? Yeah, I've been burping all day. Uh, we got some news. This actually kind of came out the same day you were streaming a metaphor. I think it was on tuesday, yeah, uh, where we did get no announcement. The only thing about the switch 2 that we got is the fact that we're going to get it for sure, an announcement the next like five months. That, yeah, they just verified it that this window was always this big. We just assumed we were going to get it the fall, but it's kind of starting to feel like they're not going to announce it, probably this year, probably gonna have, probably gonna be next year, which means the release window is probably getting pushed to what? September, october time frame for the console release if they wait to the end of this window yeah, which is shocking to me, that it's not going to release in the spring.

Brandon Hurles: 1:34:01

I I feel like there's still a chance of it getting announced before spring and it coming out in the spring. But, like you said, you know they made the statement of the five months, um, and that's how they always do it. But nintendo does lie and they do have to sort of lie to the public about a specific day or time until they're ready to really make the announcement.

Mark Trobough: 1:34:25

They just gave a window. But from what was said, we don't know. Obviously things are changing, but the president came out and says their plans haven't changed from when they plan to announce it. So from what they're saying is they have a date, they plan to announce it and that hasn't changed. It's just not when we thought they were going to announce it. It's what it's going to feel like yeah.

Brandon Hurles: 1:34:42

So I mean, and also we got the news, which is the the, I would say the bigger of the news is that it's backwards compatible. So we confirmed that we are working with carts again. So my guess is it's my guess is it's going to be like the 3ds to ds carts, where there's going to be a notch in the Switch 2 carts that prevent it being stuck into a DS. That's my guess.

Mark Trobough: 1:35:07

Yeah, to prevent the trying to use the newer ones backwards. But I also assume the newer ones are going to be just have better memory and stuff like that. Oh for sure, for sure. But yeah, I assume they're going to have something. That way you can't put a Switch 2 cartridge in a Switch and it obviously isn't going to work type thing. But I think it works better because they went away from essentially flash storage because, well, disks were just better. But now we're at the point where, if you want to call it, flash storage has caught back up to where disks are. If not, they're arguably better at storing and being a little faster with the load time. So it seems like that's where Nintendo wants to go as well. As, if you want, like a handheld, disc is not good for handheld. The ability of seeing things Stuff like that.

Mark Trobough: 1:35:51

You want to stick with a more cartridge, and that's what they've always done with their handhelds. It's always a cartridge which it was for the longest time limiting. But that technology's caught back up to where DVD and Blu-ray discs are, where it's kind of negligible.

Brandon Hurles: 1:36:03

Yeah, for sure, and I still do feel very confident that we're going to be at the level of working around probably like a Steam Deck, oled, asus, rog Alloy X sort of level, I think it just has to be to be somewhat competitive outside of just your first party, like it's gonna sell regardless.

Mark Trobough: 1:36:22

but there needs to be a reason to where you want to get this first before you get like a raw galley or a steam deck yeah, for sure, for sure.

Brandon Hurles: 1:36:29

I I'm glad. Obviously it's backwards compatible. Uh, that's important and I pretty much called that.

Mark Trobough: 1:36:35

I mean I think we kind of all thought that um here's the question what do you think the price point is going to be for it? I think it's 400, I think 400, 399 I just don't think that you can go over 400, but that's assuming whatever the specs are going to be. On the announcement, like how much of an upgrade is going to be, what's the equivalent of of a of the console, the ps, the playstation and the uh xbox. So I really drive the price tag.

Brandon Hurles: 1:37:00

Thomas Isaac said PS5 Pro is a must-better game console than base PS5. So just coming at Mark there, I don't know, I think. As far as the Switch stuff, I think it's what it's going to be. It's like a notch-type deal preventing it from going into the Switch 1. It's obviously going to be. It's like a notch-type deal preventing it from going into the Switch 1. It's obviously going to be beefier, with more storage and more capabilities. So that's kind of my thoughts with that. But we also got kind of non-news. We had the financial report for Nintendo, obviously. So what we're looking at? They basically got headlines for the zelda movie as well as the next mario brothers movie. Um, so when they shared that the switch 2 is backwards compatible, uh, they also shared that the zelda movie will be released before the end of the decade. I can't make this up before the end of the decade, so the timeline is 2026. We're looking at the next mario movie, which I would have thought next year, but 29.

Mark Trobough: 1:38:12

Well, technically, depending on how you count, you have up until 2030 to release this game. Technically, depending on how you count decades, do you start saying at 2030 or 2031? I've, because there's arguments that the decade starts well, it says 2020, so it's the latest 2029, I would assume I'm just saying there's a semantic argument to say the decade in the last year that there are current decade is 2030, not 2029.

Brandon Hurles: 1:38:41

Yeah, that's true, considering how you want to count a decade. They also said In the field of visual content, we are making direct investments and are deeply involved in the planning and development of multiple productions. Nintendo president Shintaro Furukawa said the Super Mario Bros movie, a joint production with Illumination, was released in April last year and was viewed by theaters by approximately 170 people. This film was enjoyed by people of all ages, regardless of gaming experience. Uh, making mario more familiar to a broader audience than ever before. Looking ahead, we are creating a new animated film based on the world of super mario brothers, set for theatrical release In April 2026. Additionally, we are planning Developing a live action film Of Legend of Zelda. So those are his words there During the investor meeting.

Mark Trobough: 1:39:32

So I assume Just based off Nintendo being really protective Of their IP Mistakes of the past, in the 90s, from both gaming and media. If this movie is any quality of what they've dealt with the super mario bros movie, you need to have similar amount of faith. But is a live action movie better than they threw like a 3d cg movie with?

Brandon Hurles: 1:39:55

it's gonna be tough, it's it's tough, it's hard to say they have to do it right but uh, I do think it needs to be obviously the nature of it, just it's.

Mark Trobough: 1:40:00

It's tough, it's hard to say they have to do it right, but uh, I do think it needs to be obviously the nature of it, just it's, it's going probably going to be, and it needs to be somewhat darker than what mario is yeah, it's gotta be, it has to have at least uh, you would say at least a pg. I think it needs. It would be better off as like a pg-13 movie.

Brandon Hurles: 1:40:15

But I don't know, nintendo has like the guts to want to go that route I have a weird feeling that it's going to be Ocarina of Time based and around the Deku tree and sort of different points.

Mark Trobough: 1:40:30

That's like every Zelda game for the most part, not every, but a lot. What? What are you talking about? There's a lot of Zelda games that come around, like the Deku tree and stuff like that.

Brandon Hurles: 1:40:38

Yeah, but not in the way that ocarina time does it. But I have a feeling that it's going to be young link and it's probably going to be, you know, the hero of time okay, here's a question does this tie into the new timeline at all, or is it going to be its own thing? Because it's going to be its own thing, for sure, for sure. Well then, why not just start the very beginning? Why start in the middle somewhere?

Mark Trobough: 1:40:59

because here's got to be its own thing, for sure, for sure. Well then, why not just start the very beginning? Why start in the middle somewhere?

Brandon Hurles: 1:41:03

because here's the argument with that the original game. The argument with that is how do you tell the original game when there is like pretty much there's a story but it's a non-story and staying for zelda 2, which is a future game. So it's like what, where, where do you pick?

Mark Trobough: 1:41:25

to start like picking zelda 1 is kind of you want to base it off of a game and you want some amount of freedom. The original zelda game will be where you want to go because you have a base outline, but you can build on it so much more because the story is so the story is it's dangerous take, take this I mean no, but like.

Mark Trobough: 1:41:43

That's both iconic and it allows them to have some flexibility, like, outside of getting all these tripartite pieces, you have some freedom to actually tell a story in that world. That's true, look like a breath. I want it to be its own thing, restricted to being like oh you change this from the ocarina of Time story. I don't like this. You can avoid a lot of those problems and then from there you can just do your own thing.

Brandon Hurles: 1:42:06

I think people need to mind their business and let Nintendo do whatever they want to do.

Mark Trobough: 1:42:11

The problem is they've done that in the past and they gave us the Mario movie from the 90s.

Brandon Hurles: 1:42:15

Mark, that was a long time ago. The Zelda CDI games was a long time ago.

Mark Trobough: 1:42:23

The uh the zelda cdi games. Which so and that I'm sorry, but zelda's adventure is a good game.

Brandon Hurles: 1:42:25

This is terrible, all those cdi. It is the reason we have echoes of wisdom 100, it's not 100 of it as you play as zelda uh, you know what?

Brandon Hurles: 1:42:34

well, excuse me princess not from the games, from the, from the cartoon, but coming back around the Pokemon TCG pocket, it passed 30 million downloads in 9 days, which is insane. I don't know what Pokemon Go's record was, but I feel like this is bigger now I'm curious you know what you bring that up? I gotta google it but I mean 30 million downloads in nine days is absolutely bonkers.

Mark Trobough: 1:43:08

No, it's insane.

Brandon Hurles: 1:43:11

Yeah, it looks like. So. Apparently it has made $12 million in four days.

Mark Trobough: 1:43:24

That's a lot of money, considering you're mainly just getting peripherals when you spend actual money in the game. You need like $5 from like half of those to make that much money.

Brandon Hurles: 1:43:38

It says Pokemon CCG Pocket is earning around three million dollars a day, making over 12 million just four days. That's more than the eternally popular pokemon go is currently making on app stores. According to estimates um, if pokemon trading card game pocket keeps that revenue pace up, it'll make over a billion dollars a year. Absolutely, nintendo or not nintendo, I guess it would be the pokemon company knocked it out of the park with this. Absolutely knocked it out of the park. Oh, 100, I mean this is just insane. These are insane numbers.

Mark Trobough: 1:44:18

I mean this is not the same. This is an article back from 2022, but in 2022, pokemon go had uh, I lost the number had a 678 million downloads worldwide, and in 2022 it had made about six billion dollars so this is on track to to outpace that for sure.

Brandon Hurles: 1:44:39

I mean, you can't really been out for nine days.

Mark Trobough: 1:44:43

You'd have to probably search a little bit more for the first month of that game. You'd have to go probably way back to 2016 for the game launch. But I do know that game was massively popular, even among people that had never played Pokemon games before.

Brandon Hurles: 1:44:54

Which this is too, because I know people that are doing it who aren't really Pokemon fans. Doesn't feel like?

Mark Trobough: 1:44:59

it's the same. It hasn't caught the, the cultural zeitgeist like go did, to the same degree like that. It's only been nine days mark but pokemon go did the same thing in the same like, very like the first month, I don't it.

Brandon Hurles: 1:45:11

30 million downloads.

Mark Trobough: 1:45:13

That's insane it's also a free mobile game and so is pokemon go yeah, but like it you don't. You don't feel the the cultural impact of a game like this, like pokemon go.

Brandon Hurles: 1:45:23

I don't think that we have yet better and I don't know if that can happen again in the same way. Pokemon go was like I don't think it will. It just it came out at the right time. Like it just. It was the right time for pokemon and non-pokemon fans were playing it. It was. It's a different type of game. You know what I mean Now. It's like its own genre, but it's a different type of game where it's definitely non-traditional. Pokemon. You have all these areas that you have to explore at Pokestops and things like that, all over the real world map. It was just a unique idea and it was something totally different.

Mark Trobough: 1:46:03

So uh, I was trying to look at something if what I'm looking at is right from business of appscom. It looks like in 2016, pokemon go had about 232 million users 220.

Brandon Hurles: 1:46:22

Okay, so this is probably going to surpass that pretty quickly. I think I have a good feeling it's going to, I mean, 30 million, nine days and it's already made $12 million.

Mark Trobough: 1:46:34

It's assuming it maintains that pace.

Brandon Hurles: 1:46:36

What is it?

Mark Trobough: 1:46:37

It's assuming it maintains that pace.

Brandon Hurles: 1:46:39

That's true, yeah that's true For sure. What is it that's assuming it maintains that pace? That's true. Yeah, that's true for sure. Uh, we got more pokemon-esque news, uh, with pow world, um. So I can't read all of it, but we got the actual reports for the lawsuits, um. So one of the headlines reads pow world developer reports nintendo's suing over three pokemon patents for only 66,000 in damages. But a video game IP lawyer says fighting the lawsuit could mean burning millions of dollars.

Mark Trobough: 1:47:10

So it comes down to if you just pay them, what losses do you incur, though? Right, right Is it worth actually fighting this in court If you actually have a chance because Power World probably has hundreds of millions of dollars available to actually fight this if they want to. Is it worth the time and the money? And if they were to cave, what would be the ramifications of them not fighting the lawsuit itself?

Brandon Hurles: 1:47:36

Right, yeah, yeah, I feel like obviously the way to go is to just pay them I think this settles out of court.

Mark Trobough: 1:47:43

But the actual details, it has to be more than just damages. They want probably done. Do they have to pay something else? And and the term of like well, you're using our patent, so you're gonna pay us?

Brandon Hurles: 1:47:53

like a royalty or something.

Mark Trobough: 1:47:55

Yeah, I'm 100. I don't think this is gonna end up in court, because they usually don't. They usually end up getting settled out of court because both sides will. It's financially, but neither of these sides wants to actually go to court. It's going to cost both of them millions of dollars.

Brandon Hurles: 1:48:09

Oh yeah, for sure.

Mark Trobough: 1:48:11

But you know, if Nintendo wants to settle this out of court, they're going to have to give the power developers something in return that would, you know, not like financially crush them outside of, just say this much money in damages but yeah, well, we want 50 of your royalties. That's like no, we're not going to give you that much money type thing. So I think there's a lot of details that we're more than likely probably just never going to know behind the deals. They're behind the scenes of this actual deal. Yeah, it's interesting.

Brandon Hurles: 1:48:40

They're only claiming that much money, which means it's kind of a lot lower than I would have thought this feel like they're just suing them on the uh it's a the principle, because they have to because of the principle, because of of perceived they're making a statements

Mark Trobough: 1:48:55

well, no, because it's, it's one of these things and it's uh, because a lot of times you see lawsuits and you're like that seems kind of stupid. But there's like I guess the best example I've seen is that most people could say deal with, say you own like a plot of land and you've got like no trespassing signs. Someone trespasses but you don't actually charge them with anything. Well, in the future, if you do, the time you didn't can be used against you and you can lose your legal protections. So it's essentially the idea of to have your legal protections. You have to file a lawsuit and fight this in the courts or you lose protections in the future. So this could be that that that suit, that, regardless of whether it's true or not, nintendo has to fight this, because if they don't, they could potentially and it's different country, different laws but they could lose certain protections copyright and patent infringement protections in the future because they didn't.

Brandon Hurles: 1:49:49

Right.

Mark Trobough: 1:49:54

Yeah, it could be one of those things. Obviously, japan's a different country, but a lot of the stuff when you deal with copyright and stuff like that you have to finance.

Mark Trobough: 1:50:01

You have to go after people because you have to protect your, your, your, your copyright, your patents, because if you don't and you choose not to, it could be perceived as you not caring, and then yeah completely lose those protections in the future which I think a lot of people don't just see surface level stuff and don't actually dig deeper into into the law, because it's confusing, it doesn't make a lot of sense uh, I just wanted to shout out.

Brandon Hurles: 1:50:25

we've got morticia over there on the YouTube chat. Omega095 is asking about you, mark. He always watched your trail streams. And Mr Coffee said I still see people go around playing Pokemon Go. Mr Coffee said Breaking news Tony Todd passed away at 69.

Mark Trobough: 1:51:05

Oh, that's unfortunate yeah. I need to get back in the trails, but there's so many games to play.

Brandon Hurles: 1:51:15

Yeah, that is unfortunate. He was Candyman.

Mark Trobough: 1:51:19

That's what I always thought I think I forgot to put that in the notes initially. Yeah, that's unfortunate. He was Candyman, that's what I always saw him as, I think.

Brandon Hurles: 1:51:23

I forgot to put that in the notes initially. Yeah, that's unfortunate. I wonder if there's a reasoning.

Mark Trobough: 1:51:33

You say that there's something else I thought I saw.

Brandon Hurles: 1:51:35

No information about the death has been made public apparently.

Mark Trobough: 1:51:40

Which is pretty normal out the gate. Yeah, with the family and stuff first, before they usually release stuff. No, but you brought that up because this was back on the first, but I didn't think it was super relevant. But the Ryu Kono that didn't completely come to my name. The art director for Mob, Psycho 100, Devilman Crybaby and Space Sandy passed away.

Brandon Hurles: 1:52:06

Oh, that's sad.

Mark Trobough: 1:52:08

Beck, perfect Blue Paranoia Agent and Carol, but I believe she passed away the Tuesday before actual Thanksgiving was what it was kind of listed as.

Brandon Hurles: 1:52:17

Oh, wow.

Mark Trobough: 1:52:20

A little less relevant, but you know, know people that work on a lot of stuff that I'm sure somebody's seen.

Brandon Hurles: 1:52:24

Those are really well-known titles and stuff like that apparently tony todd was the voice of venom uh in spider-man 2 for the ps, ps5 a lot of deaths this past year, but there has every year just a lot of people always passing away, unfortunately yeah, it is very unfortunate, um, I didn't know that he played the voice of Venom in the game, though. That's crazy.

Mark Trobough: 1:52:45

No, it is. What else did he work on?

Brandon Hurles: 1:52:47

He was in all kinds of stuff. So some of the things that I saw here. Obviously, the big one for me is Candyman, but he was in the Crow. He was in Platoon Transformers, revenge of the Fallen.

Mark Trobough: 1:53:01

Final Destination 5.

Brandon Hurles: 1:53:02

Wishmaster Night of the Living Dead Candyman. The man from Earth 24 Redemption Looks like he was also in. Lean on Me, enemy Territory Sleepwalk. Let's see what other big ones.

Mark Trobough: 1:53:20

Don't Miss Platoon.

Brandon Hurles: 1:53:23

Yeah, I said that.

Mark Trobough: 1:53:23

Which is a big one Driven. I may have missed you saying that, sorry.

Brandon Hurles: 1:53:26

No, you're good. He was in Babylon 5, a Call to Arms, final Destination 1. He was also in Final Destination 2.

Mark Trobough: 1:53:40

Did you say the Rock? I missed that one. Yeah, he was in that I was on Wikipedia just going through the whole movies and stuff like that.

Brandon Hurles: 1:53:50

Yeah, he was in a lot of movies, a lot A lot of stuff actually. Yeah, there's a huge list. I can't read everything off, but there's some big ones.

Mark Trobough: 1:53:59

I was just trying to go through to see if there's anything else that you hadn't said, that I missed he's in arachnophobia, which is a pretty good horror movie um oh, transformers, revenge of the fallen as a voice yeah, he did the voice.

Brandon Hurles: 1:54:15

Um, he voiced dark side inign of the Supermen. Yeah, skysharks, he was Major General Frost, tales from the Hood 3. He played William, so he was in a lot of stuff, man, a lot of stuff. Wow, yeah, it's very unfortunate that's not that old either.

Brandon Hurles: 1:54:40

No, not at all, but he did some voices in what looks like to be some uh tv series like uh 21, jump street, macgyver, matlock, the x-files, law and order, star trek, the next generation um x-files, hercules, star trek, deep Trek, deep Space Nine, nypd, blue Xenia, warrior Princess. He was in all kinds of stuff TV and movies.

Mark Trobough: 1:55:09

Old Hercules and stuff like that.

Brandon Hurles: 1:55:13

He voiced quite a few video games too, including the Legend at Dragoon, which is probably my favorite JRPG of all time for the PS1. Also Half-Life 2, episode 2, dota 2, call of Duty, black Ops 2, Star Trek Online, artifact, layers of Fear 2, half-life, alyx Back 4, blood, spider-man 2, and he's in the, it's not even out yet Indiana Jones and the Great Circle.

Mark Trobough: 1:55:43

So Actually I didn't realize that Stas going through some stuff. I actually remember him from one very specific show in a very specific episode, so he played a Lord, a high con, from an episode of season 9 of Stargate SG 1.

Brandon Hurles: 1:55:57

Yeah, I see that.

Mark Trobough: 1:55:59

Season 9 where they were doing with the uh sudan warriors and stuff like that yeah, that's I didn't realize, too, he wasn't. I actually saw him in that, because that's a huge tv show that I absolutely love, oh yeah deep.

Brandon Hurles: 1:56:10

He was deep space nine as well. So yeah, that's, that's uh, that's super unfortunate, um so it really is yeah, thoughts go out to the family and friends.

Brandon Hurles: 1:56:23

um, and then I I just I wanted you to go over this, just kind of get your quick thoughts, because since you know a little less about godzilla but I threw one godzilla thing in there, it was just an interesting little article talking about kind of comparing the monsterversese to some of the older Godzilla films and sort of the take of how the MonsterVerse is set up from the older films from like the show and the Heisei era, and I just kind of wanted to get your thoughts sort of on that.

Mark Trobough: 1:56:59

So the comparison I think I just don't think the MonsterVer verse is at the same quality of the old Godzilla movies, but I just don't think it has the charm of those movies.

Brandon Hurles: 1:57:07

I have been going down a Godzilla deep dive the past four or five days listening to these very, very long retrospectives, uh, going over every single. But I've I've watched every single movie, but I still like to learn. There's like these facts and details that I learned and and uh didn't know, and things like that and um, yeah, I mean, I just yeah, I just I love Godzilla man, I really do. I think that, you know, having the Japanese Godzillas and then the, the Americanized Godzilla at the same time is actually really cool and it's not something I would have ever predicted.

Mark Trobough: 1:57:44

so they're good movies, but they're popcorn heavy cg, it's just not my, I prefer the old ones. Like I'll say this my two favorite godzilla movies are both done by by toho. It's the og uh godzilla and then it's minus one, just because there's like only a handful of movies that deal with godzilla as an actual villain, not like an anti-hero, but please, please, take the time.

Brandon Hurles: 1:58:12

So I highly recommend the criterion release of the original godzilla. It's that one I know Criterion physical release. Oh okay, I highly recommend it. It has so much extras in that movie, including both the Gojira version of the film and the Godzilla version of the film. Gojira is the way to watch it. I'm sorry the Godzilla that we got was so dumbed down with the news reporter.

Mark Trobough: 1:58:40

It was just well, to be fair, I've only ever watched the original uh in the Jap with Japanese audio. I've never watched the English dub version of the original Godzilla.

Brandon Hurles: 1:58:49

It's worth watching once to see the differences, because basically it was just taking that film and then you had an actor that was filming different segments that had nothing really wasn't in the movie.

Mark Trobough: 1:59:03

so yeah, I mean I guess I'll say this dubbing works good with animation because it's, it's a, the format works better. I've never liked or think it. Live action dubbing actually works. It just comes off as bad because the voice just can never match, uh, the the actual body on screen. You just know it. So every time I've watched like a live action foreign film, I'll always watch it with subtitles and never in english, because it just it's never good. Yeah, where obviously animation is a whole different medium, but not a whole, but it's a different medium. Where it works, it can work. Where we're in live action, I just don don't think it can ever work as well, regardless of the quality of voice action. You know, to be fair with a lot of those had like bottom of the barrel voice actors, super cheap.

Brandon Hurles: 1:59:49

Yeah, no doubt. Well, I guess, to kind of close out the podcast, what is your favorite Kaiju, that you're aware of?

Mark Trobough: 1:59:59

My favorite. I feel like saying Godzilla would be a cop out, but I think it might be. It might be godzilla interesting oh I what's, what's yours. I guess I don't depend on you and mothra destroyers is destroyer and mecha godzilla 2 are my two favorites, I gotta say there's a lot of kaiju movies that I haven't seen, though, to be fair, and the ones I look up, destroyer.

Brandon Hurles: 2:00:28

Look up godzilla versus destroyer and you'll understand why it's my favorite.

Mark Trobough: 2:00:32

It's one of the coolest designs ever I'll say king kong's, one of my least favorite. I've never cared for godzilla, but you never cared for godzilla no, I never have you just said you liked godzilla I like him in in the newer stuff but as a whole is one of the weaker ones. If you, if you consider, uh, I guess I better explain all the movies together. I think it's one of those, one of the weaker ones, godzilla no, kong Kong.

Brandon Hurles: 2:01:00

Oh, I like him as a character. I love King Kong.

Mark Trobough: 2:01:03

I think he's okay in the Monsterverse, but in the older stuff I just think he's just not good and I don't care for him.

Brandon Hurles: 2:01:12

I have a soft spot for all of it. Peter Jackson's King Kong is really good. It's just very long, so but yeah, I think Destroy, destroy is probably my favorite. Kaiju, next to uh, mecha, godzilla 2 the second design, I think, is absolutely amazing. Um, and then I mean, as far as favorite movies, for me it goes gojira, and then I always have, I always go back and forth with tokyo sos, which a lot of people don't like. I love it, and destroy all monsters. Fair enough, those are probably my favorites. But uh, do you have anything else this week? Mark any uh special mentions, any uh plans this weekend, or no?

Mark Trobough: 2:02:04

I think we hit everything. Obviously we're. We're live streaming tomorrow at eight, like we always do, but past that, what are we playing this week?

Brandon Hurles: 2:02:11

I?

Mark Trobough: 2:02:12

think it's the dragon ball sparking zero.

Brandon Hurles: 2:02:14

That's what you wanted to play, so well, just, I mean it's, it's a newer game, so that we at least get our money's worth and stuff like that. But I think I do want to do this soon. I picked it up so that we could do streams, since it's cheaper. It's. You know, like I said, I used my $5 off on it it was around like $20, and this is a pretty recent game. So I've been holding out. I just didn't want to pay $60 for it. But I was thinking like I had you in mind. I was like, oh okay, another anime game That'd be fun to play, because we've only played a few, so why not? Plus, you get all the characters from all the series. It's pretty crazy Tons and tons of characters. And it's not a traditional fighter. It's like Sparking Zero, where it's very non-traditional.

Brandon Hurles: 2:03:05

so it's not like a side-scrolling 2D fighter or anything like that, and you were kicking my butt on uh.

Mark Trobough: 2:03:14

I don't know, until I fought an actual fighter.

Brandon Hurles: 2:03:15

I think it was just cheese and the power-ups well, uh, do you have anything that you you want to plug, anything else to you?

Mark Trobough: 2:03:24

got more content coming out on the on the junction network channel to definitely check out moving forward, but other than that, like we got everything yeah, and then I have a video that will be coming out.

Brandon Hurles: 2:03:34

I haven't decided whether I'm going to do it for this weekend or just hold off and have it on the regular wed, but I've got about half of it edited and that will be coming out. I'm super excited about that video. And then after that I've got a special project video I'll tell you about Mark afterwards that I'm going to do. That's sort of just kind of a just sort of a dedication to something that I love. So I'm really excited. It's going to be different, something entirely different from the channel Um, but it's going. It's going to fill in that pop culture space. It's not going to be gaming straight related, uh, but it's going to be pretty cool. So we appreciate everybody watching Um. Of course we are on on all plat audio platforms Apple podcasts, we're on all audio platforms Apple Podcasts, spotify, everything. We're on everything. Basically, just follow us, give us a follow. Rates and downloads do help out a lot. If you are an audio listener, if you could go over to our YouTube channel and give us subscribe there and you can watch a video podcast, it definitely would help a lot transferring the audiences and getting to see us and getting to know us in video form, too, is great as well. And then we'll also have the Anime Junction cast. We're doing videos of that on Spotify, so that's getting uploaded there and on other platforms as well. So definitely a lot to look forward to tons of new content. And then we are going to continue the stream schedule.

Brandon Hurles: 2:05:07

Marquette. I think that I'm probably going to dedicate Wednesdays. I know I did Tuesdays this week, but I think I'm going to dedicate Wednesdays and then I'm going to try for Mondays. I think I'm going to dedicate Wednesdays and then I'm going to try for Mondays. That's maybe. That's one where I can't put it on the schedule because I don't know for sure, but we've got me streaming on Wednesdays. We've got Thursday.

Mark Trobough: 2:05:38

You won't be streaming next Thursday, correct? I can't. The problem is my, my Monday through.

Brandon Hurles: 2:05:43

I guess technicallyursday schedule is just way too inconsistent to have a consistent schedule. Okay, so we know for sure. Obviously, the podcast, the consistent me.

Mark Trobough: 2:05:49

For for me, streaming alone, sunday's the consistent day and if I can stream that week or I might pop in randomly, but I can't. It can't be a consistent stuff.

Brandon Hurles: 2:05:57

So it's not going to be like on the schedule, like is okay, so, so we've got, obviously, the podcast 8 pm, eastern standard time, live every single week on twitch and youtube, as well as tiktok, and then we stream every saturday at 8 pm. It's going to be different games. We'll announce what games are playing and then mark is going to be streaming, um, whatever he wants to play on sundays. What time? 12 pm.

Mark Trobough: 2:06:21

It's noon Eastern.

Brandon Hurles: 2:06:23

Awesome. We appreciate everybody watching, listening, liking, subscribing all that stuff. We will be back again next week. Thanks everyone and have a good one.